Submit is a great record but maybe too metal for the younger industrial crowd. If you fall into that category just get Industrial and Desensitized. Everything past that is doesn't work for me, though they get an A for the attempt to evolve the band. It made for a definite broader fan-base and showing of metalheads, grindcore kids, rivitheads, and punk rockers at the later shows. Twelve years later these three records still stand the test of time.

Back when they were grindcore-with-a-drum-machine: awesome. Submit is an incredible album. They move more toward industrial on Desensitized, which wasn't bad. When they added the punk element, though, they took a downturn, IMO. I'll stick to Submit, thanks.