Elusive1990 wrote:

I'm not sure if sales are allowed in here,
if not feel free to move or delete this

But i thought this might be of interested to the old skool heads on here
i don't want anyone to miss out on this pressing as its gonna be very limited


This is a pre-order for Spirit Of Space & Dance In Eden EP's Doublepack

http://www.discogs.com/release/1206201
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The Artwork may slightly change before the pressing, but its 99% ready



What you are getting for your money.....


8 fully remastered tracks.....3 of the original EP's on one double pack!
Full artwork labels
Inner paper covers inside a thicker Outer cover (maybe stickered)


The conditions of this pressing are.............

100 pre-orders must be taken before its goes to press, so it up to you if it happens!
any orders taken and the pressing doesn't reach this number will be fully refunded


Please list your order like this on your paypal payment....

B2VOS Username:
Real name & address:
Cat Number: 9T2R 003
Quantity of copies:


Paypal Address.........

elusive1990@hotmail.com



Prices with postage


UK price would be:
£20+ £3.35 postage (1st Class recorded) = £23.35 (plus £1.00p per extra copy)

European price would be:
£20 + £4.50 postage (regular airmail) = £24.50 (plus £1.00p per extra copy)
or
£20 + £7.00 postage (International Signed For) = £27.00 (plus £1.00 per extra copy)

USA price would be
£20 + £5.00 postage (regular airmail) = £25.00 (plus £1.00p per extra copy)
or
£20 + £8.25 postage (International Signed For) = £28.25 (plus £1.00p per extra copy)


Yes i know this is an expensive one,
but i can't do it any cheaper than this with the pressing costs & paying an artist (i'm paying the artist alot of money for this repress)
I think its worth the money personally, when one of the original EP's would cost you £20 alone!


If this goes well there is a Spirit of Space Remix EP available and some other unreleased tunes
Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

TEKNONUTTER wrote:

Any other way of paying apart from paypal?

Elusive1990 wrote:

I'm gonna try & sort out bank account payments this week
i'll hit you back mate

TEKNONUTTER wrote:

Sorry m8 I was merely asking about other payments, I have the original already.

Elusive1990 wrote:

i'm sorry mate, you lost me??

TEKNONUTTER wrote:

I was just curious on payments, that's all. Didn't realise it was a doublepack, have one of the 12" already, wasn't that keen on the other 12" tbh, sorry m8 :)

cerebral wrote:

I really want just the track Dance In Eden, been rocking my head since i discovered it. Would pay £75 for the original if its the only option, so about £25 for this new double is cool. We have to pay in advance. Hmm. It will make people naturally wary. 100 people, i would love to think 100 people want it, i do, and i know a handful of others (well, 16 people have wantlisted it already). Thing is, i am impressed that the original artist is in on it, though they wouldnt not get any money at all if this doesnt go through, so asking a steep price is well, so-so. First time anything like this has really be done, but i admire the work put into it. I am currently not able to pay the money, as i am buying the DS93 release this month (poor, but i keep buying vinyl ;)), but hope that this goes ahead.

Elusive1990 wrote:

Is it really that steep though?
its gonna cost at least £1200-1500 to press as its a double pack
the artist has to get paid, i have to pay for a license before i can even sell it
after paypal fees i won't be seeing much, so i think the price is fair IMO

Your getting 3 of the original EPs for £20
looking at the discogs prices on all the eps that make up this double pack will cost you a least £100 to get spirit of space ep & original dance in eden

Doing pre-orders is the only way i can do this, as i already put big money into previous represses that are yet to break even

RenegadeGenius wrote:

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RenegadeGenius wrote:

Firstly - as said - £20 is not a steep price when u see the costs involved - Elusive is doing this to get the artist some well deserved money after other people flog the ep for high money on here and ebay (where the artist gets none) - it's certainly not done to get Elusive a load of money.

Also it's not the first time this has been done - there have been around 3 other eps which have been done the pre-order route.
If dealing with a newbie, fair enough, but Elusives pretty well know now - on ebay / b2vos etc, so shouldn't be any problems with regard to that.

Over a third have already been pre-ordered - and thats since yesterday - if u miss out, then u miss out ;)

goemon wrote:

The tracks are going to be remastered - everyone who owns an original Spirit of Space EP knows what that means -> a LOUD and CRISP pressing unlike the original and on SHINY brand spanking NEW vinyl too.
Now really, what more can you ask for!? 20 quids for that!! Think about it, for that price you could buy one side of the original Spirit of Space EP and that's if you're lucky, here you get another 2 quality and highly sought after releases chucked in as a bonus.

Bargain of the year if you ask me. As RG said, if you miss out, then you miss out!

TEKNONUTTER wrote:

I've changed my mind, I do want one now (but no paypal!).

captinweestain wrote:

save me 1 dude as stated in b2vos dude

Elusive1990 wrote:

I paid £90 for my original copy of spirit of space & i'm still happy about the new pressing

TEKNONUTTER wrote:

I paid £4.00 for mine in 92 in a shop, not secondhand, & however good it is, I wouldn't pay £90.00 for it, I'm not having a go, just saying like. Each to their own.

dokie23 wrote:

Elusive ...just curious on how you did with 2-x-treme repress ??

cerebral wrote:

@Elusive, in the original post you said "Yes i know this is an expensive one, but i can't do it any cheaper than this with the pressing costs & paying an artist (i'm paying the artist alot of money for this repress)", and so got the idea that the reason it was £20 was due to the artist, so I said:

"Thing is, i am impressed that the original artist is in on it, though they wouldnt get any money at all if this doesnt go through, so asking a steep price is well, so-so." .

It refered to the artist not the price of the vinyl. I respect the artist, and think the project is a great idea. I love dance in eden, and for that alone want to give money to the artist. I already wantlisted the proposed double yesterday. I was merely considering wether enough people would commit to it since it was more expensive. When I have the money (hopefully soon enough) I can paypal you.

I was a bit confused when I was reading this thread, since I am for the idea, but didn't think there would be enough people willing to pre order. Also I am not on the b2vos forums so don't know elusive that well, and did not know about previous EP's. I just meant the first time it had been done on discogs afaik.

This is kind of like a dream come true, so didn't mean to annoy so many people, my post must have been easy to misread. I never actually said it was expensive, i said in comparison to £75 for one of the ep's, it was really cool.

TheOneDelay wrote:

I really canrt beleave people are bitching about £20 for this :S lol. For Dance in eden alone thats more than cheep and you kno its not gona have any pops/scratchs ect in it.

sjcee wrote:

well, I think having the tracks remastered is brilliant

but I still think repressing vinyls is quite annoying, especially for collectors or people, who are dealing with hardcore for ages - rather make it an mp3 release...

RenegadeGenius wrote:

Why would it annoy collectors??
They would still want an original, plus having a repress would possibly bring the price of originals down making them a little more affordable.
The only people it may annoy are those wanting to sell copies for vast profit.

Elusive1990 wrote:

i'm a big old skool collector, i've been into hardcore since day one

i don't think i've seen a more pathetic argument against represses in all my time on the net


i like original pressings too & represses don't bother me one bit

MP3 releases will just get shared on soulseek & the artist won't see a penny
unlike this release that the artist will se some money for

TEKNONUTTER wrote:

My argument was I wouldn't pay 90 quid for an original copy, that's ridiculous, as there's much better & rarer stuff out there for less IMO. I don't think 20 pound for a doublepack is unreasonable though.

And people are entitled to bitch, they're the ones who are forking out the bucks, & it's a free country to bitch in the UK anyway.

Forget about all that. Is there a way of paying without paypal? First of all, I don't want to have to join b2vos (whatever it's called) or open a paypal account to order a copy, can an alternative be sorted out at all?

RenegadeGenius wrote:

Damn Double posting!

See below.

RenegadeGenius wrote:

@ Teknonutter & Elusive -

Ref the paypal thing - providing you're both happy with this, I'm quite happy to Paypal Elusive the money if u send a cheque to me for the amount needed.
I'd have to make sure the cheque banked ok first though (which takes about 6 days after I put it in) - would then paypal Elusive.

If both of u are happy with that, let me know - don't mind doing this as a one off, but don't want everyone asking me to do it :)

PS - u don't need to join b2vos - its just another forum - bit like this one.
PPS - if u wanna check if I'm reliable :

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dokie23 wrote:

Jesus christ ...i can`t believe this shit !!
OK .."kiddy winks" lets get down to some brass tacks.. as me mum used to say !!
Somebody wants to repress a fantasic oldskool classic re: "dance in eden"..yeah.. Great lets all buy a double pack repress of it !!
Me ..nah.. i don`t think so ... I know.. i`m a record dealer and yeah.. fuck it !! I will try and get good money for the ORIGINAL copies of it because that`s the market and if there are people willing to pay the money then they will pay it regardless !,
I spend a lot of time sourcing records sometimes taking me abroad and beyond ...oh !.. Sorry i`m forgetting about the artist & ...the people who REALLY want the original but CAN`T afford it.. SNIFF SNIFF ....well fuck me i`ll tell you what either start up a charity fund @ "WWW.ARTIST`S & SKINT BUYERS OF OLDSKOOL HARDCORE ON THE FRIGGIN`BREAD-LINE.COM". Or start making some fucking new tunes for fuck sake...you had the talent in the past, so bring it on in 2008.
It`s a load of cack that repressing a tune helps the "ARTIST" or the skint oldskool buyer ...rubbish !!
I`ll tell you what i`m gonna start doing... re-printing the original MONA LISA because i`m concerned about the de vinci family eating dry pasta and i feel sorry for all the poor classic art lover`s !
The bottom line is people will only spend money to gain money which is fair enough .. so let`s cut the bullshit.
And that`s that ! ..... Listen! people who want an original of this tune ...it won`t be long before you can pick an original of "DANCE IN EDEN" for say £25-30 on here or on ebay ...hold tight ..the market is flooded at the moment, the U.K economy is in ruins ..the world will be in a resession in a few month`s and people will be selling their tunes and their fat nan.
By the way i have a copy of dance in eden ...and you can have it for the princely sum of £90 !! mind you ...it is the ORIGINAL !!... no offence intended "elusive1990 or renegadegenius"

djpepsi wrote:

blimey, popcorn?

Elusive1990 wrote:

as if i give a bollocks what a greedy seller says
you post says it all really
i'm not in it for the money, i run my labels for the love of the music not the dollar like you
i've bought from you a few times & the condition of the tunes was very poor
so whos the rip off merchant here??

It seems everyone except the 2 or 3 people on here are very happy to pre-order this release
75 orders in a few days will do the artist & me very fine thanks

so i'll say no more on here, so hit me bad with more childish rants all you like as it won't be read
your welcome to your bad attitude...


BYE!

Elusive1990 wrote:

PS
get your original copies on ebay today....you don't wanna lose money do you!

You might as well delete this please mods

goemon wrote:

Come again?

dokie23 wrote:

Tee he he ..Reel um in.. "we`re gonna need a bigger boat"


AWE ...come on elusive, it`s just an opinion mate.
I did`t mean it to come across as just having a dig at you it was the overall argument against the repressing of any record...... anyway you could`nt have been that unhappy with the condition of any tunes you`ve bought off me as you would have left neg feedback and as i don`t have any your snipe dos`nt add up.
Look mate.. good luck with the sales of the double pack and if you feel so strongly about your love of "the music" then why not give some away maybe.;P

nebkins wrote:

Its all about represses imo. Bring em on

RenegadeGenius wrote:

Only shit I can see is what you've typed.
No offence intended..

maelstrom wrote:

That's just patently untrue.

I don't know Elusive but I know that he is not in it to make money, purely to provide a service and keep the music legacy intact. He is one of a handful of people who take financial risks to do pressings like these and I say good on him. I don't see how you cant see that how your opinion is phrased is pretty offensive?

O_Z wrote:

Represses are great for everyone imo.
I paid quite a bit for copies of all the originals and I am buying another.
I am also glad that other people can now get this tune and the artist gets some money.

TEKNONUTTER wrote:

I couldn't give a f**k with all this baloney. Who wants to send me their details so I can send the money/cheque/debit card whatever? LOL!

RenegadeGenius wrote:

I'll send u my details for a cheque - rather that than money just incase it disapears with the postie.
And once i've got it I'll let u know - will then take about 5 days or so to clear - will then send elusive paypal payment & let him know its for u ;)

Elusive1990 wrote:

Cheers steve, but i'll sort out bank funding details next week, it not something i sorted out as most people have paypal who buy tunes
a couple of people have asked though, so i'll deal with that

TEKNONUTTER: i've put you on the reserve list for now so you won't miss out

TEKNONUTTER wrote:

Ok wicked. I've received Renegade's email. I'll be sending cheque in next couple of days. Thx boys :)

cerebral wrote:

Elusive, did you get my email? Seem to have been ignored, after my first post was completely misread.

pointblnk wrote:

We've had the repress debates on b2vos multiple times over the last few years.

In general, the conclusions have always been that they're a good idea, and pretty much every side of the debate has been thrashed out to its death.

If you want to make money, invest in property or stick your money away in a high-interest savings scheme - it's 'old skool lovers' not 'antiques roadshow' ;p

Elusive1990 wrote:

cerebral sorry bro, i haven't had time to reply to my mails on here yet, expect an incoming reply over the weekend mate
i already put you on the reserve list

cerebral wrote:

Ah thanks mate! I was getting worried ;).

Brisk wrote:

Nice one, bought a copy.

Elusive1990 wrote:

Just to let everyone know, this is going to press now with the remixes in 2/3 weeks

here's a draft of the UNRELEASED remixes :).....

http://www.discogs.com/release/1230975

more news coming soon

At least dokie23 can't cry about that one!


A massive big up to the people who supported me on this one, you've made this release possible, thanks very much :)

dokie23 wrote:

sniff...sniff

TEKNONUTTER wrote:

Sorry for bumping this thread but was wondering if there was any news of the release yet? :)

ACRID303 wrote:

^^^ I think an early April release date was mentioned somewhere?

TEKNONUTTER wrote:

Was wondering if there was any progress with this release?

silurian wrote:

I think it's due any time now, fingers crossed.

cerebral wrote:

Yep, i am being patient since smaller operations have a lot more work since its one or two people packaging it and posting them all out. Look forwards to it loads. I am looking forwards to giving it a proper big play what with all the good weather we are having.

TIM wrote:

I have been thinking of this type of record deal option for ahwhile and I think it's vital to collectors and true fans.

Like when adsr posted that super fantastic mix by james bernard.

What I am talking about is preorders on vinyl additions.
Get used to it and peops to elusive1990 for making that happen on a track he wished and others to see repressed.

I have no problem paying a higher than new amount for a proper repress. Somewhat higher that is. Not double.

It kind of bugs and kills the scene when people put something for sale and someone comes and says "I got it for 7 bucks in 1995". So?

Like elusive said, you are entitled to your own bad attitude.