WellRedd wrote:

Just got another of these emails, following on from the election of a BNP assembly member in the recent local elections. It urges me to attend at City Hall tonight to protest against this fascist.

Does anyone else think this is a really dumb protest? The guy was elected, fair and square. He may have the views of Adolf Hitler, but if enough people voted for him, doesn't he deserve his place on the assembly?

Isn't this anti-fascist demonstration really an anti-democracy demonstration?

langster wrote:

It's only a matter of time before many more members of the Bunch of Nazi Pricks get elected.

gmos wrote:

I think it could end up being counter productive tbh, it gives them more exposure, more publicity, and then the license to go on about freedom of speech, etc, etc...

WellRedd wrote:

I can't see that happening though. While there's still a Conservative party spouting the same lines on immigration, the BNP will surely remain a minority, and very small party.

inexpressible wrote:

Rome already has a fascist mayor. I think it's only a matter of time until other European cities want one, too. :|

WellRedd wrote:

Italy has a history of these things though, Mussolini for a start. Plus the electoral system there is much more proportional, thus allowing minority views to be better represented (although I dont' know the system for their mayoral elections, assuming it's PR like their general elections).

gmos wrote:

however, in addition to my previous post, an egging always goes down well, political statement combined with slapstick

brainbug wrote:

@topic: no matter how many people voted for a candidate- if you dont agree with his views, you have got the right to protest. (at least you should have it ;). thats one of the meanings of "democracy".

Nekro wrote:

exactly that, seems like the loonie lefties are acting more and more like fascists these days. probably just bitter after the drubbing they got in the london mayor and local elections.

WellRedd wrote:

Of course, you're right, people are free to do what they want. I do attend anti-fascist gigs on occasion, but this struck me as, like Nekro said, sour grapes.

The BNP guy will, like everyone that has been in his shoes before, fuck up and show what a waste of space he is in no time at all. It makes the whole idea of a demo pointless IMO.

nike.bordom wrote:

whatever your decision will be, take care of yourself.

I'm glad I didn't attend the anti-fascist-demo first of may in hamburg. it was a nightmare. the police was clueless - due to left and right kids dressing the same way - and decided to do nothing, because at a certain point because they feared for their lives.

the neonazis were reported to be exceptionally agressive, the quarter both demos took place was absoutely inappropriate due to a large park and a lot of space nearby and the court order to allow the neonazi demo and the counter-demonstration taking the same route caused nothing but disbelief among the police.

cypherism wrote:

The current Pope was in the Nazi Youth

inexpressible wrote:

So?

0x00 wrote:

How I love that Discogs is becoming a haven for Nazi/Austrian apologists.

la-voie-du-sabre wrote:

please spell dis kogs

the trouble isn't really with the extremist parties, rather with the conservative ones who suck and spit their ideas - making them more presentable and acceptable

WellRedd wrote:

I didn't get anywhere near the demo. Fuck that, I had my dinner instead and watched Eastenders.

inexpressible wrote:

good choice.

langster wrote:

Never heard it called that before, but hey, each to their own innit guv!

Strawberry_Shortcake wrote:

Hitler gained power through democratically held elections.
Millions of people died.
What would have happened if people had said "hang on, that's no good, we need to tell these people they're wrong"?

Strawberry_Shortcake wrote:

Besides, I hate to break it to you, but the UK's population is mostly racist.

inexpressible wrote:

why are you still there then?

Strawberry_Shortcake wrote:

Because every minute of every day, I make the British population a bit better :D

WellRedd wrote:

Very true. This is the problem with democracy. I was torn as to whether it's a good idea to demonstrate against democracy, but the Hitler example doesn't make things much clearer for me, I'm afraid. Bush was "democratically" elected too, and look where that ended up. Stalin wasn't democratically elected.

I don't agree that the UK is mostly racist. Bigoted, perhaps, and certainly up for a bit of prejudice when it suits them, but I think racist is too strong a word.

The French are hardly the most tolerent nation in the world, are they? Le pen is mightier than the sword ;)

Strawberry_Shortcake wrote:

You have to be a migrant to fully grasp the rampant, stinky racism that exists in this country.
And yes, France is racist. But France wasn't the subject of the thread, was it?

WellRedd wrote:

My GF is a migrant, Australian-Italian, I'll ask her opinion tonight. I'm sure she'll agree with you though, she usually disagrees with me on everything to do with politics.

And FTR, Germany wasn't the subject of the thread either.

Strawberry_Shortcake wrote:

Nope. But you mentionned Hitler, dear.

WellRedd wrote:

Oh well excuuuuuuse me.

Strawberry_Shortcake wrote:

That's allright, my little youngling. You'll do better next time.

WellRedd wrote:

I'll try better then ;/

I still don't agree with you though, but there's nothing new there.

Nekro wrote:

fuck off back to france then. cunt.

Strawberry_Shortcake wrote:

So, as I said, the UK's population is mostly racist...

HRD_Shmoo_XIII wrote:

So, this is an example of how you form opinions on an entire population? One admittedly ignorant post and you write off the whole nation? Very good. You're wrong by the way, just wrong. I have some damn good reasons why but frankly I can't be bothered because I'm certain they will fall on deaf ears and you'll give me your usual know all patronizing shite. Besides, it's a nice day and I aint really got time for shit like this.

moshka-medicine wrote:

so now we no longer have the french nationality but instead the french race. thats swell.

HRD_Shmoo_XIII wrote:

Infact I'm kickin meself already for joining this forum so I'm fuckin off again. Like I said you're wrong though, but you can chat to yourself about it now. I really can't be arsed.

Nekro wrote:

if you hate everything about this country so much and are so intent on slagging of it's inhabitants at any given opportunity then why do you insist on living here? i really am confused here. you never fail to amaze me with you ignorant comments and sweeping generalisations.

la-voie-du-sabre wrote:

wait a minute... nazism is german, facism is italian and racism is french


sorry you brits not much left.. sexism? tepidbeerism? crossthechanneldrivingleftism?

inexpressible wrote:

autism is scottish i think

WellRedd wrote:

As I said above, bigotry is a national pastime.

WellRedd wrote:

Bigotism?
Bigism?

TEKNONUTTER wrote:

langster wrote:

LOL!!!! So close to another deleted account then. Nice to see some restraint.

Strawberry_Shortcake wrote:

Good.


Now, about racism in Britain. It isn't actually racism, but more xenophobia (which for me is pretty much the same: fear, fear and more fear. And cowardice).
Britain has several issues at the moment: economy is slowing down, there's a housing crisis, "high" unemployment, violence,etc...
These issues all have deeply rooted causes which are complex and require a very thorough analysis and understanding if they are to be solved.
But guess what? It seems that all these problems are caused by one single group of individuals: foreigners. They are to blame for every single little thing that doesn't work in GB. NEVER (and I mean NEVER) I heard someone say: "well, maybe we have our part of responsibility, because it is, after all, our country and we fucking live in it".
British people like to lecture everybody about what they should do, but deny any responsibility when shit hits the fan.
Kids being violent and fat? Blame TV, video games, the government and the Roswell aliens!!! And so on, so forth.


As a matter of fact, Britain is so xenophobic that they refuse the EU. They want to keep their precious currency and their precious borders, you see. Just like a spoilt child refuses to share his toys with the kids of the neighbourhood.


And fucking yes, I WILL comment and express my views on the UK, because I live here, work here, pay my taxes here, so I've earned the right to say if things don't seem right.

WellRedd wrote:

Absolute rubbish, I'm afraid.

The Evening Standard/Daily Mail types may blame Johnny Foreigner for the problems, but in truth, it's poor government planning for immigration that is to blame for some of the problems. Immigration does have an impact upon social issues, housing, healthcare, some negative, some positive. Some newspapers ignore the positives and focus on the negatives. If you read those rags that spout this shit, then I can understand why you'd think this. Read the Guardian a bit, and tell me if your analysis still holds true.




I'm sure you're aware that the UK is actually part of the EU, or did that fact slip by you?
And maybe I missed it, but aren't there still borders between European countries?
The decision to stay out of the Euro currency was made for economic reasons as well as political posturing. I don't think xenophobia has anything to do with it.





You didn't earn any right by living here, you're perfectly entitled to say what you want about the UK or any country.

I've never lived in Zimbabwe, but I can say whatever I want about what's going on there right now.

Oh and my GF says that you're full of shit. Go and live in Australia if you want to experience racism in full effect.

langster wrote:

And fucking right too!

What was offered to us to convert to the Euro was ecenomical suicide. The pound is so damn strong against other currencies and along with the Dollar and Yen is one of the most important currencies in world business. There is no way either back then or in the near future any government would change to the Euro. The governments econmoic and financial advisors would veto it before it even went to a vote.

You only need to look at what happened in Germany after they got rid of the Deutschmark. Britian is not the only one with reservations either, and a few countries have voiced their regret at changing their currency so hastily.

When the laws treat every country exactly the same then maybe it would be different, but the farming and fishing laws for one (I know I always harp on about these, but they are fucking important!) are a complete shambles and the UK gets very unfair treatment with regards to our size limits, catch limits, area quotas and fishing zones and control in our own national waters, where the likes of Belgium, France and Spain can still rape the shit out of any waters they like. And boy do they fucking know it as well!

I have nothing against anything that brings different cultures, nationalities and governments together, quite the opposite, but it must be fair and across the board for everyone.

0x00 wrote:

No they don't. Can someone make Langster an admin? Cheers.

langster wrote:

Fuck admin, I want to be Discogs OVERLORD!!!!!!

MWUUUUUUUUUUHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!one1!12!!!21""£"£123 one11111!!!111`1¬

langster wrote:

Come to think of it, why stop at Discogs?

azymuth74 wrote:

Come on, we all know why kids are fat these days....its genetical, innnit!

TEKNONUTTER wrote:

Sometimes a country/society needs to think & decide about it's economic interests, so you may be right you may not. I'm no economist.

The issue I have is the political one. Especially regarding war. It seems that our nation will always be ready to distance itself to europe & follow the U.S. even if it doesn't actually benefit us in any way. Iraq war being a prime example, look where that's got us. Any advantages to world peace & national security? Haven't noticed it yet.



Yeah, you're right, they're genetically greedy fucks ;S

langster wrote:

I think anyone who wasn't/isn't worried about that is a retard.

I just want everyone to share a big cuddle and agree that they might disagree, but there is no need to shoot each other or bomb innocent fucking people over it. But I know I have more chance of juggling soot underwater on the end of a shovel than that actually happening.

WellRedd wrote:

On this fat thing, I was in a Pound Shop today; the fat couple in front of me had a shit load of "Squares" crisps, each pack had 10 bags of crisps for 99p. Next shop was Sainsburys, where fruit and veg seems to have shot up in price (I'm pretty conscious of prices).

The Pound Shop was run by Asians. Draw your own conclusions ;-)

WellRedd wrote:

In principal, I'm in favour of joining the Euro, but I agree that we shouldn't just jump in blind. I think the long-term benefits of being in a currency spanning many nations outweigh the short-term potential negatives.

WellRedd wrote:

What a curious phrase :-D

0x00 wrote:

I don't think it makes much difference. For image purposes, probably best stick with the pound so they know we're better than them.

azymuth74 wrote:

Well where did those square crisps come from....from what I remember crisps were always round before those bleedin' foreigners started turning up on our shores

Strawberry_Shortcake wrote:

Because the Asian community decides how much should a pack of Walkers go for, and they also decide how much people should pay for their courgettes in Sainsbury?

Maybe you should ask your girlfriend to bring you to Australia. Looks like you belong there.

WellRedd wrote:

Are you being dense on purpose? I was being sarcastic FFS!

Strawberry_Shortcake wrote:

Sorry. I've had a difficult day. My apologies.

azymuth74 wrote:

so was I btw, before anyone decides to banish me to one of our colonies

0x00 wrote:

I wasn't being sarcastic. Foreigners are shit.

Strawberry_Shortcake wrote:

No. People are shit.

WellRedd wrote:

No need to apologise. Just DON'T DO IT AGAIN!

;-)

Strawberry_Shortcake wrote:

Don't take the piss. I really had a bad day.

WellRedd wrote:

Sorry, hope tomorrow is a better day 4 ya.

inexpressible wrote:

had a fight with the spanish psycho again?

Strawberry_Shortcake wrote:

No. She won. I'm moving out at the end of the week. She started to use her boyfriend to scare me, and it's not worth it.

My bad day is due to someone else, but I'm working on resolving the situation. Thanks for your concern :)

inexpressible wrote:

that's shit. but maybe it's the best if you just move out.
already got a new place to stay?

burn the whole place down when you go.

cthulhu303 wrote:

Errr, no. Only between the UK and the rest.




Euroscepticism has, and it's really annoying. Hard to say if it's getting any better too.

cthulhu303 wrote:

Since 1995, btw...

WellRedd wrote:

You learn something new everyday.
But to labour the point, borders still exist, the Schengen_Agreement abolished border controls between EU nations, but there are still borders in place; there is not (yet) a United States of Europe, that was my point.

On the Eurosceptic point, I don't think things are getting any better. I do think that the UK and Ireland being islands has something to do with it though. I mot certainly do not count myself a Eurosceptic, xenophobe, racist, or anything like that.

la-voie-du-sabre wrote:

but you admit being an ex-metal head?

cthulhu303 wrote:

That is not what I was implying, and you must be right: the island geography surely doesn't help.
The "borders" in question are comparable to that between England and Wales, really. Not sure comparison with the US of A and the many inconsistencies across their states was the best illustration, but I think I get your point.

WellRedd wrote:

I'm proud of it, although I admit the hair was pretty embarrassing &:)

Maybe I should explain a bit more. We are heading towards a United States of Europe, with a single police force, centrally controlled taxation, legislation and economy. Eventually, military too. One day, I'd say everyone will speak English as well, as the English aren't going to learn any other languages, are they?
I wasn't really referring to being the same way as the USA, but once the USEU (I made that up) happens, we'll certainly rival the USA, in economic terms, population etc. Militarily, we'll be huge!

The island thing definitely invokes a strong sense of nationality, especially among those of the age group that experienced WWII, and to a lesser but still greater extent the baby boomer generation. I find most people I speak to in everyday life are against the idea of being joined to Europe, and think we should remain independant. To a certain degree, it is because of xenophobia, bigotry, and general ignorance, but the arguments in favour of leaving Europe do make as much sense as those to stay in. I just like the idea of being a European, a lot of Brits don't.

.exe. wrote:

the anti fascist demonstration here in spain are a demonstration of how fascist are the anti fascist..

moshka-medicine wrote:

"here in western europe, we have created a multinational democratic community in which there is a free flow of people, of information, of good and of culture. americans and west europeans move freely in all direction, sharing and partaking of each other's ideas and culture. and we are proud of this.

it is my hope, our hope... that all europeans, from moscow to lisbon, will soon stand together in one large supranational entity and harmony, and the free flow of people and goods will include the other half of europe as well. it is my fervent wish that in the next century there will be one europe, a free europe, a UNITED STATES OF EUROPE."

U.S. President
Ronald McReagan
1985