gmos wrote:

http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/...limit=1&limitstart=0

discuss

Barry_Crumbcheeks wrote:

BOLLOCKS RUBBISH A TRAVESTY WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

Barry_Crumbcheeks wrote:

hang on, i'll just click on the link now

placid wrote:

hehehehe

abracadabra-1 wrote:

Barry was right with his first post.

ballmouse wrote:

...at least they list techno records. i was worried they would be happy hardcore or trance.

sherbert wrote:

This imo is the best track either Baby Ford or Eon have ever produced or been involved with. This is a benchmark Minimal track. If you`re going to make Minimal this is the way to do it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba-uisfl9pc Deep, subtle, and beautiful.

sherbert wrote:

It`s a good list personally i rate this track higher than the Ian o Brian, Neil Landstrumm and Bicknell productions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHGovnHTBWY

Barry_Crumbcheeks wrote:

at least i found out md was 'ealing techno' from this

TIM wrote:

Not sure about the Regis,Surgeon or Andrew M additions.

Whenever they do these best of they feel they have to add the best of someone that has a solid following like those above so they cover all of the artists who had a solid impact.



Otherwise pretty solid

gmos wrote:

not really, he left out AFX, Autechre and Dave Clarke for that very reason.

I know you're not a fan of Surgeon and co, but I'd have been pretty shocked if he didn't make the list, he's a huge part of underground UK techno and he plays the Bleep parties a lot so I'd say it's more than just pandering.

gmos wrote:

and, sure, you'll never please everyone with these lists anyway

TIM wrote:

Well I can see why the maker of the list left Autechre, Dave Clarke etc. He was making a strictly "underappreciated" uk techno list like they said they would cover.

I like some Surgeon stuff. Regis not really a fan of.

The make could have easily done 2 records plus from each Luke Slater and B12 that are much better than that regis record. If that regis record is picked Red 1 should have been in the list in there too.

Shouldn't Dave Angel made this list? Also seems to be missing Warp's influence no?

TIM wrote:

List maker should have named this 'Lesser known, under-appreciate, leaving out the well known names, only including my favorite of each artist who helped in my beloved UK techno, post acid house/rave top 20 UK Techno!'

;)

oneseven wrote:

''Nonetheless, the contrast between the quality of British techno records released now and in 1995 is utterly startling, with only a handful of producers still pushing the genre forward.''

gmos wrote:

yeah, that's pretty much it, I think it's just his personal memories and tastes

cicerobuck wrote:

Well, Forgemaster isn't there...
Otherwise, pretty good!

Tkon wrote:

Pretty good list with some great tunes but lists are always bollocks because no 2 people with ever agree on a top 20 of anything. Personally i could think of at least 10 - 15 that should be in there instead and i'm sure some on here would have a whole different top 20. The Luke slater and Reload albums are ace though ;)

spa5tik0lonz wrote:

Reload-A collection 2x12"is in my definite top 5, that album has everything i like imo, so im pretty glad that made in the list, not sure about mark bell at No 1?????

La synthesis-Agraphobia is also a killer, and well deserved in a ny top 20..

spa5tik0lonz wrote:

ohhh that luke slater lp is quality too, i would have had "my wise yellow rug" up their also

TIM wrote:

yeah that's what i'm saying. Warp records no love.

pretty good list though

gmos wrote:

don't think it's really in order preference, just 20 records he likes

spa5tik0lonz wrote:

ahhh i see, that makes more sense then...:)

revpersona wrote:

Pretty shit list - some good mentions though.

ultrasound wrote:

Ha ha, that's Mr Bleep43, also of this parish, as it happens.

He knows his stuff.

Still, it's just a list.

You don't have to agree, just discuss. I agree with most [if not all] of it, I suppose.

But maybe I would, since I know the guy.

djfrankiebones wrote:

Luke Slater, Surgeon, Regis, Dave Clarke, Neil Landstrumm, Vogel...

I mean the list could go on & on.

In the world of techno, you could bring the U.K.'s finest and they would represent as well as anyone else.

That being said, the French also would fair very well.

chischis wrote:

Clark at number 1? Well if it IS "top", I wouldn't disagree. If ever a record is desperate for a remaster and repress (a digital release seems improbable :P)...

(At least it isn't Warp Clark... now that would be a travesty :P)

Edit: Mad Monks On Zinc! Holy Ghost were ACE, and very much missed.

spa5tik0lonz wrote:

yup agree with that, cant understand why people are so into this clark(warp) guy, i heard afew albums, and thought they were utter shit, like the rest of the recent warp output, are they now an indie rock label???

spa5tik0lonz wrote:

Holy ghost inc ...what a label, still love those 12s

djfrankiebones wrote:

I love the fact that once again an unrelated topic dealing with U.K. Techno and a U.K. magazine can clarify my point in the "Berlin" topic....

"The likes of Luke Slater and Tony Child [Surgeon] cast a long shadow over the new breed of slick techno typified by labels like Sandwell District and countless other faceless 12”s emanating from Berlin's Hardwax, constructed almost precisely for playing at Berghain"

djfrankiebones wrote:

Hearing the new Planetary Assault System on a Funktion-1 sound system in a club like Berghain is as close to a religious experience as you can get.

ogshags wrote:

Yeah Dog! I'm getting inspired. I ordered that shit last week!

abracadabra-1 wrote:

Frankie you went to Berghain and you though it was great, we got it already.
Jees!

Ron242 wrote:

How sad can one be? Top 20 of faults.

cicerobuck wrote:

I was mostly thinkong of the Black Steel EP on Nettwerk ;)




Ewh!

gmos wrote:

the mix is up now, haven't listened yet but it does have some stuff that didn't make the top 20 list

Bleep43 wrote:

http://www.bleep43recordings.com/mixes/Show141.mp3

Thanks for your feedback on the article. Yes, it's only 20 records so I was always going to be limited in what I could put in, and with anything of this nature it is ultimately a personal view. I did avoid Warp records as a whole because I feel that Warp has had the deserved coverage, kudos and acclaim for the last 20 years or so, so why give it another pat on the back when there are a host of other producers who perhaps might have missed out on an article of this nature. The same goes for FSOL, Dave Clarke etc.

On reflection there are some records that I might have replaced - i.e the Andrew McLauchlan one, but I also wanted it to stretch across the decade, and after 1996 things do get decidedly patchy with regard to good quality UK Techno, so a bit of balance is required. It is not meant to be a definitive list, but a personal one (I'm from London which means that it was always going to be a bit Lost-centric).

Oh and the good Forgemasters release is from '89 so it doesn't count.

AtomicCow wrote:

Great list. Very balanced and contains many favorites of mine. That Regis record totally belongs there!

Do you guys even bother to read the article before posting complaints?

AtomicCow wrote:

Don't feel bad about including "Love Story", that track is a bomb. Very few other techno tracks that have melodies that good...and improvisations? Forget about it. It's so fluid. And that Latin sample. Truly a bright spot in that whole tribal techno quagmire.

So happy I discovered the Lost label. I am on a mission to collect them all, one of the few labels I can say that about. They just have that pure sound - 100% techno but not cliche. I like the delay that the put on it, brings to mind a huge hangar.

Tkon wrote:

How so, in my mind they fair pretty badly. The U.K, Dutch, Germans, Belgians and even the Italians are way ahead of the French regarding techno. Saying that one of my favourite artists is French - Jean Michel Jarre - my first vinyl purchase in 1983 being 1 of his lp's but as a whole they are pretty poorly represented in the electronic field especially when you regard the population. Nations with a fraction of their population are much better i think.

doors wrote:

Laurent Garnier, Emmanuel Top, Scan X, Guillaume La Tortue ...
The French made a lot of quality techno in the 90's.

oh and also Daft Punk ;)

d3a0n3 wrote:

You fucked your own argument up right there, pure pop pish.

doors wrote:

go check your sarcasm radar :)

twoplayer wrote:

Mark Broom, Paul Mac, Ben Sims, Dave Hill...

GENRE wrote:

good list and article but I would have included Dave Angel and Weatherall

Tkon wrote:

I honestly don't rate any of those guys highly, Garnier and Scan X made a few ok tunes but compared to other much smaller countries the French would be far down my list for top techno tunes. Don't forget we are talking over 65 million people when compared to the Dutch or Belgians and with roughly the same as the U.K. which musically has been far far superior.

cthulhu303 wrote:

Not counting Top, who's almost Belgian, how many good tunes split between the others? 6? 7? For a whole country in 20 years, that's not a lot.

gmos wrote:

Dave Angel makes the mix tho'

tracklist for the mix

n-Sync vs Mysteron - Next World
Stasis - Mnemic Image
Ian O'Brien - Mad Mike Disease
Digital Justice - Can't u See
Santos Rodriguez - Road to Rio A1
Baby Ford & Eon -Dead Eye
Holy Ghost - Mad Monks on Zinc
Surgeon - Remants of What Once Was
LA Synthesis - Agraphobia
B12 - Telefone 529
7th Plain - Lost
The Clan - Mongol Hordes
Roupe - Sula Bassana
Reload - Peschi
Clark - Knowledge
As One - Shambala
PAS - Booster
Dave Angel - Airborne (C2 drums suck remix)
G-Man - Quo Vadis
andrew mclauchlan - Love Story
Oliver Ho - The Gathering
Steve Bicknell - Why? and for who?
Russ Gabriel - Tokyo Sun
Wild Planet - Electron (speedy j remix)
Vogel - Ninjah
Neil Landstrumm - Home Delivery
Polygon Window - Quoth
Bandulu - Presence
Regis - Speak to Me

Bleep43 wrote:

Remember that the French have a very idiosyncratic view in general on popular music and culture since the end of the War. With few exceptions (Serge Gainsbourg, Air, Garnier, Daft Punk, perhaps Les Negresses Vertes) they have really stuck to their own in terms of what they produce and how it is perceived.

Roger_Thornhill wrote:

We are the best in making any kind of music. Vive nous !

Tkon wrote:

Agreed :)

Nick_G wrote:

Wot no Russ Gabriel 'Peace For Thought'?!

IMO this is the best techno track to ever come out of the UK.

djfrankiebones wrote:

British Musicians always seem to have bigger success when they record in California.

spa5tik0lonz wrote:

I nearly have to agree with that, thats an amazing slab of blissful techno./...

djfrankiebones wrote:

Actually, British Musicians always seem to never leave America once they come to California.

doors wrote:

I never said that France were better musically than the UK or Belgians or Dutch, but they did produce quality electronic music in the early 90's.

I will give one example that should settle this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6Lj5egNB1M

the best "frenchiest" techno track

And for the record, I am not from France. I know how it is with European rivalry, even if I am not even from Europe, but please let's put the french-bashing aside, they can make some good music. And not only in techno.

Roger_Thornhill wrote:

vive la France

ps to be serious, I like the Stuff Ludovic Navarre did under various aliases

Tkon wrote:

Who's bashing ? Just pointing out facts that's all, please don't ruin this thread by going off on 1. I've already stated 1 of my favs ever is Jarre.

Allons enfants de la Patrie,
Le jour de gloire est arrive !
Contre nous de la tyrannie,
L'etendard sanglant est leve ! ........... ;P

djfrankiebones wrote:

self-projection?

I mean that's what he told me.




Don't say I'm crazy. I just told him I was not mad at him.




I guess you are not mad either.

doors wrote:

no offenses was meant, sorry if I came across that way.

I am not mad.

cicerobuck wrote:

Ha.. Indeed, Acid Eiffel is the sole major french techno track of the 90ies. That being said, all the interesting french "techno" artists are way under the radar for foreigners, and mostly belong to the hardcore or other "extreme" genre.

AtomicCow wrote:

France does have one of the best techno/house labels ever "F Communications". But I would agree that it doesn't measure up to the other european countries.

You guys are mad for calling Daft Punk pure pop pish. They made house music so good that it made the charts, no one could resist. There's some nasty Robert Armani-like stuff on the first CD.

gmos wrote:

lol




I did :)

djerome wrote:

i was disappointed that delia derbyshire the inventor of all things techno did not make the list. clearly fact magazine did not do their research on discogs

kompressorkanonen wrote:

Yeah, and I'm pissed off that Slade didn't make it, "Cum on Feel the Noize" is surely worth a mention.

djfrankiebones wrote:

I'm sad that the Blade Soundtrack didn't make it.

No, I'm not.