DEGASPERI wrote:

hi all
what is the difference between the emx and the esx
i want to make deep-house and techno and i am not sure which one is good for me...

SeRKeT wrote:

quite simply ESX 1 = sampler
EMX 1 has sounds already on the machine

vinyl_junkie07 wrote:

To put it quite blunt they are both bollocks for deep house if they are your only machines...couppled with some cheap ass fake valve section thats got loads of hiss mmm nice

The big draw back to them other than the simplicity of the synth engine on the EMX is that all synth parts are monophonic which quite frankly sucks in 2009...Roland made polyphonic grooveboxes as far back as 1996...it does have a chord feature on the VERY basic oscilators but thats realy poor esp for deep house where it's all about chord progresions right...

To add to insult it has some BADLY sampled M1 sounds in there that scream out PLAY me yet oh wait you can only play 1 note of a nice lush EP sound. I say badly sampled cos the real M1 sounds miles better or even I would guess the VST version.

If you had more machines in your setup then I guess they are not that bad just depends on your taste but I wouldn't reccomend them if that's all you had.

If out of the two I had to chose I would go for the sampling one (ESX) cos you can put any sample then into it and have fun mangling it but I'm not sure if on the ESX all the sampler parts are mono or poly...

I brought a trashed EMX1 a while back did it up and sold it for quite a bit.
Also as much as people love x0x style sequencers they drive me mad now, much preffer something like a MPC of Logic and the good thing is each synth/sampler part on the Korg's has it's own MIDI channel.

Here is a demo I did a while back when I first got it..
Track info:
All parts Sequenced by the MPC over MIDI
Bass sound is the Roland Juno
Drums are the MPC and only 2x small drum sounds are the EMX

The rest is EMX BUT the basic piano chord is just a lame internal already played chord sample...the 303 like sounds are not bad though..and the strings well I can only play 1 note AGHH!! lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...feature=channel_page

DEGASPERI wrote:

bollocks has a funny result on the google-translator
by the way...
ok 1st thanx for the answers
i am sure you know what your talking about becouse i saw your utube channel and you definitly have musical potential

i made my music with ableton live and some arturia tools
and today i saw some of the emx/esx vids and i thought hey thats a good machine but now i am not so sure
i liked that here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01h2HBk29TQ
its about 500 euros i mean thats not cheap
i need to try and hear it LIVE

but you said the two korgs are the same -just one has a sampler and the other has prestes or? why haven`t both a sampler and prestes

vinyl_junkie07 wrote:

Yeah best get your hands on one and see if you like it then make a desicion before you buy.

The EMX is an analogue modeling synth that also has sampled drums and various other types of synthesis too but you can't use your own samples even though some of the oscilator models play back samples.
If I can remember right it's got 5 synth parts and these are all monophonic meaning one note of poly per part, 5 sample based Drum parts and another 4 sets of drum parts but these are for hi-hats as they have muting on them or what ever you call it i.e. closed hat will cut off open hat sound but you can assign any sound to these but you can't play A and B together.

The ESX is 100% a sampler..more a phrase sampler than a propper studio unit but all in all good fun and most of all you can use your own samples.

I paid about 120GBP for my EMX

vinyl_junkie07 wrote:

Ps I don't see why you can't do any of that in Abelton...that stuff is so easy to make.
If you want a cheap machine that does them minimal drums and is a tiny bit more original check out the Korg ER-1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM9q8NQTtu8

It's dirt cheap

Here is the nitty gritty..
Basic drum synth...4x drum synth, basicaly you make your own drum sound from scratch but it is again quite limmited so don't expect a 909 thump but it suits this new music coming out.
2x Audio in parts that you can also apply FX to
and 4x PCM sounds i.e. Korg open/closed hi-hat, clap and a crash
No ride here!

The drum synth parts can make some mad sounds that are boarder line synth...
It was my first drum machine in 2001 that I used with a Yamaha DX-100..I hated it as I wanted 909 sounds lol Traded it few months down the line for a Novation Drum Station

DEGASPERI wrote:

you know i think i make better music then i have my hands on it
its fun to work with software but its not straight
i made over 60 tracks -they are all not 100% ready and i have no mastering suit or so
i made this her for example with ableton live
its nothing special but i like it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQX_SdGs5pk
and this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36wxB0iLgGc
it was a demo version of ableton live 7.0 and arturia
i used also my electric-bass and some samples
the drums are made with ableton

vinyl_junkie07 wrote:

I'm so close to switch back to software for sequencing..so SO close. I think i'v got all I can out the MPC
I'v got a few probelems in my studio at the moment just waiting on a new biger mixer and 8in 8 out audio interface and we will see what thats like with the MPC

it's a mess at the moment

http://farm3.static.flickr.com...722_9bc6b1a495_b.jpg

and this is a clean floor in my room lol

http://farm3.static.flickr.com...83371_60f8c5d532.jpg

I did all these in 2004 with Logic audio 5.5, Spirit Folio F1 mixer, Yamaha AN-200, Roland SH-32, Clavia Micro Modular and some VST's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...feature=channel_page

DEGASPERI wrote:

your akai has this NES colour
i want that thing
boomklickboomboomklick

you know i want to have so many stuff i dont know where to start buying all that
i am overwishdosed

vinyl_junkie07 wrote:

Heheh I love Akai samplers. Coming from software though I'm not so sure you will be so fond of them but from a look's poing of view then hey ;-)
Akai beige the way to go lol
http://farm4.static.flickr.com...064_c5a18ac138_b.jpg

This is round my friends place...his battered old S-3000XL
http://farm3.static.flickr.com...389_71a5bf6d36_b.jpg

Just take it all bit by bit...don't get into buying too much gear. Just get one bit of gear and learn it inside out and then you will get the best out of it no matter what it is.

vinyl_junkie07 wrote:

Ps
When it comes to sound quality EMU are much better than Akai but ever since I was real young I always wanted an Akai sampler...if kids who were into synths in the 70's wanted moog's then the Akai was my 90's dream machine that I could not afford lol
Tune done 100% with the 3200xl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...feature=channel_page

DEGASPERI wrote:

man you did a lot of great stuff
but the question is
what sounds/is better
a good software good pc good soundcard
or all these machines like keyboards/synths all that
i am not sure

vinyl_junkie07 wrote:

Thanks man.
I'll be very honest..now days the difference between hardware and soft is minimal, the software has got very good...thats not to say hardware is obsolete oh no, it's what you do with it that matters.
The probelem with a 100% software enviroment is the lack of creativity...everything is there at the push of a button, you don't have to think as much.
What rocks about software is the flexability...and of course it's VERY time saving.
I always belive in a balance or finding something that's right for you.
For people just geting into it though I don't always recomed some harware boxes...I mean most kids today are used to their iphones which are more powerfull than a sampler and expect everything to be done yesturday lol let a lone know what a floppy disk is or know how un PC friendly old samplers are..no the MPC or S-3000 wont synk to a Ipohone lol

DEGASPERI wrote:

i also like the old school way
the best electronic music (call it house techno detroit whatever)
is made on these old machines!
they had no digitalismhyperspace1000terrabyteiPhone and all that
a tb 303 is also good or? its for bass or?

vinyl_junkie07 wrote:

I have to agree with you there...technology has given rise to a lot of clueless idiots who are bone ass lazy and just want money.
303 just for bass hell no...love 303's they are great at errm 303 sounds lol bass and squelch

Rebirth is a great 303 emulator that's free now! I sync it to my MPC MIDI clock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...feature=channel_page

DEGASPERI wrote:

ok to get all together now
you do not recommend the esx/emx?
my result is now: it´s too expansive

vinyl_junkie07 wrote:

I personaly think they are way overpriced for what they offer or sound like....but I'm not you, I know guys who love them and don't get why I think they suck lol
My question is what do you realy want?? A groove box, a synth, a drum machine?? Or do you just want a new toy lol

DEGASPERI wrote:

yes i think this korh emx is a toy now
i played it and its boring

GASHWORTH wrote:

I find i can do more on software for obv reasons but it gets mind numbing in the process. Whilst with hardware its a little harder but i find myself enjoying producing much more. if ya get me.

sylviothegreat wrote:

I think they suck as well especially them bulbs please I rather use my Omnisphere, no need to dust of either ;-)

djfrankiebones wrote:

I think you never used them before because they happen to be great machines.

However, you need to already own a decent rig which you are making tracks off without the additional units.

When these are added to a situation like that, your tracks will sound absolutely superb.

djfrankiebones wrote:

At least your comment is a little closer to the truth. These boxes are kind of all-in-one toys, and in 2009 the smarter thing to do is go for software vs. these soon to be relics. But I like hardware so it is what it is.

DEGASPERI wrote:

the person which showed me the emx had even less information than I do about that stuff i guess -and i am really a noob in all that
perhaps i would buy it for 150 -BUT NOT FOR 550 EUROS!

taint wrote:

Why isn't anyone suggesting he look into an MPC style midi controller and use it with Abelton? Or a keyboard controller with MPC style pads like the Korg Kontrol thing?

RiP057 wrote:

what are you guys talking about...
you just havent played with it enough...
seriously... its all about a live show.... and you can do that with one maybe two boxes... that is sweet vs the famous laptop stare.... and you can do that with both the esx and emx
I only have the emx, and Ive only had it for a little while, and everytime i play with it, there are brand new sounds coming out.... just takes fine tuning... and I do plan on buying the esx....

sea.envy wrote:

ebay dude. if you spent more than 250$ (american not sure exchange rate) i'd laugh at you.

and yeah, these things are way more fun when you have a couple. if i only was to have one, it'd be the esx probably.


it sounds to me like you aren't a 'touring professional', i wouldn't be buying new gear.

RiP057 wrote:

I actually have the money to buy the esx now... i guess at worst i can sell the both of them if they arent good to me....

and i paid 200 for my emx, which i thought was a steal... they should cost between 300-400, on ebay they are like 450 i wish i could see one for 250

DEGASPERI wrote:

guys i m off
i bought a mihara jacket which changes its colour at 25°C

and i just checked the price again
in germany the esx and emx it´s still 550 euros at ebay
(NEW and ORIGINAL SEALD)
ok usa ebay wants 330 euros including shipping
that`s really cheaper

sea.envy wrote:

new and original sealed is the problem dude. buy it used. they sound the same whether they are new or not.

DEGASPERI wrote: