wrote:

Theres been loads of them - any that you know ?

One I heard was that Robin wants revenge was actually Derrick Mays backlash for Nexus 21's Real Love - think it may have had something to do with Derrick and his Robin Hood guise .... and the D May album called the beginning of the Beginning of the end (Think it was called that using my ropey memory)... that apparently some people told me back in "da" day they had but I never ever saw it.

Finn wrote:

I think most popular myths involve unreleased stuff, although after so many years of boisterous statements and zero output to back it up I kind of lost interest in Derrick May's archives. I'd like to hear the album Gerald wanted to release after Automanikk, but CBS apparently has no interest whatsoever of releasing it. Other than that I did an interview with Larry Heard last year and he told me he has archived material for 15 albums worth, including unreleased Finger Inc tracks with Owens and Wislon and lots of Acid. Being burnt on contracts he is probably very reluctant to give those away, but it's good to know there is some more to be heard by Heard.

Joey_Beltram wrote:

I've seen a few, on this discogs in fact....Like this one:

djfrankiebones wrote:

.... I know that I talked to Renaat in 1989 and helped Joey Beltram , How & Little & Lenny Dee get signed to R&S.......

I read it Here

...Actually, its more bullshit than a myth so maybe it doesnt count.

wrote:

Alot of bullshit is spoken on the site Mr Beltram.

Frozman wrote:

guess Frankie will disagree on that one..

djfrankiebones wrote:

This could be a real serious topic of discussion and with all due respect I first would like to say that Joey and myself have had quite a long ride with both extremes of positive and negative events during the 16 years we have known each other.

@Joey - Now this is almost like scripted and with everything that has happened since I saw you last March in Florida, don't act as if I went and pushed any buttons. That being said I would love to hear why you think that is a myth?

And again, I am not going to post anything that would be anything but actual facts. My question here would be: Do you really want to discuss this in an open forum?

I mean my long term memory is really on point down to dates, times, places, events. Can you actually believe that this is a myth? Regardless of what is posted only two people really know which would be you and me.

It really is 100% bullshit. Not the actual quote, but everything else attached to the 16 years. And I have no problem saying I am sorry about all that bullshit, but let's for now keep this topic to the point.

How did you get your record deal with R&S records?

Joey_Beltram wrote:

LOL...you certainly had NO involvement in it, thats for sure!

Joey_Beltram wrote:

LOL...you certainly had NO involvement in it, thats for sure!

Joey_Beltram wrote:

Yeah...lets carry this over to chat forum, you are a mod here correct?
Wouldnt want you editing this shit after the fact.....so see ya there.

djfrankiebones wrote:

Joey. It is scripted. And you know I can be reckless but I am not stupid. I am staying on this topic in this forum and am not playing some kind of game.

The story begins here.

djfrankiebones wrote:

and continues here.

Now that is the very start of New York City and R&S Records. It started as two back to back releases found in the database of Discogs which both are actual 'cover' versions of two of my own releases. Are we staying on track here?

Joey_Beltram wrote:

djfrankiebones wrote:

Joey. It is scripted. And you know I can be reckless but I am not stupid. I am staying on this topic in this forum and am not playing some kind of game.

The story begins here.

LOL..yeah, and what did that do for me? Nothing.

But we know the effect I had on you

So how did you help me?

By the way, 'Eyes of a child' , where did this track come from???

Your Welcome!!

djfrankiebones wrote:

Joey. Don't rush your posts, kid. Think about what you are posting first. Because I am not going to deny anything here.
Every action has a reaction and you will get everything you want out in this topic without walking away with the truth.

Now let's rewind back to the two records I linked. The EFB record "Ecstacy Recall" comes way after you were signed. Of course you had an effect on me. You do remember sitting in my Garage on East 88th Street when I first played you that track in my Monte Carlo, right?

As for the "Eyes Of A Child" track? That is personal. I asked you if you wanted to tell the history. I would rather keep that aside for now. That is because I am not going to open up any cans of worms here....

OH BTW? No edited posts so far.

djfrankiebones wrote:

no edits - the above should read: *without walking away with anything but the truth....

Joey_Beltram wrote:

naaah...the edits will later I'm sure....when this thread is thru

Joey_Beltram wrote:

Listen..I just wanna know how you helped me get signed to R&S.
So far I'm still waiting for the answer.

wrote:

dont worry saved and noted.

Joey_Beltram wrote:

:)

djfrankiebones wrote:

Here is the third record which pretty much sums up three for my dealings with Renaat.

Now Joey, I am not coming off hostile, so why are you coming at me hostile. You see, I know there is more at stake here then to
turn this into some kind of flame war.

You do think I am that stupid, don't you?

Ultravod wrote:

If someone told me in 1996 that ten years on, I'd be witnessing a historical argument between Frankie Bones and Joey Beltram on a database website, in which they posted links to their own respective releases, I'd have told them to shut up and pass whatever it was that they were smoking.

wrote:

whers the flame war ?? a simple question as far as i can see.

djfrankiebones wrote:

As you wait for the answer, you never explained just how you did get your deal with R&S? Now that is up to you. I mean again, I am not here to play any jokes, make any insults or not give you the respect you deserve. The truth is all I got at this point.

wrote:

Anybody got some butter and cheese for this popcorn? Now THIS is history.

djfrankiebones wrote:

There is no historical argument. And I am glad you noted that there is no flame war, ritch. Because there is'nt.

But so far I gave three links on the very beginning of our dealings with R&S. Everything will be explained in full.

detour wrote:

Well... I am really enjoying this... Maybe Mr JB can shed some light about what happened with Mundo Muzique?

@ BONES: THE BOX IS IN! Check your mail pls.

djfrankiebones wrote:

You all do realize it is 7:10 a.m. And I am a bit staggered at this point, so sleep will be needed quite soon.

FACT. Joey and I rented a house in Brooklyn in July of 1990 on East 21 Street between Avenues R&S. This is not bullshit.

Ironic? Yes.

Bullshit?

Joey? True or False?

Joey_Beltram wrote:

LOL...Electroritch is right. All I asked is a simple question, that still hasnt been answered.
Your Digital Vamp bootleg came out after 'Let it ride', but nice try.
I made contact with R&S all on my own, with no introduction, help or input from you. Thats the truth!
So those links were supposed to answer my question, then yes your right they did.

And now the shows over, see ya when I see ya.

mrnex wrote:

seconds out - round 2.....
soz dudes but there's loads of beef in the industry - i for one have got a few - but i'm gonna keep them out of here - notice not one bad word about chris peat in the Altern 8 thread??

As far as the Nexus thing - I know that Derrick wasn't impressed on 1st hearing the track as i had sampled the whole bassline - but after speaking to Neil Rushton - he was apparently ok with it ( and i'm sure i apologised to him face to face ) but really have no idea if it is him that did the robin wants revenge...

Joey_Beltram wrote:

I was just off to sleep myself before your last post about the house on 21st.
Yeah, and so what??....I was already on R&S before all that so what your point????

Joey_Beltram wrote:

Mr.Nex hows it going....I should thank you here....you actually had more involvement with me being on R&S than mister bones..LOL
Because your records were some of the stuff that put R&S on my radar at the time.
So thanks :)

*edited for grammer :)

Wobbler wrote:

I feel like I'm at a star studded party.

mrnex wrote:

All's good Joey - long time no speak and thank you for that but you gotta know that you and Frankie both had a huge influence on my career too and for that i am truly grateful. :)

wrote:

lol wobbler... i know where you are coming from ... its been an interesting read :)

djfrankiebones wrote:

I don't expect Joey to sit here posting because he really does have better things to do then sit on Discogs. Not to mention the time. But I would never bullshit about any of this.

You have to realize that Renaat went into the studio and did "cover versions" of two of my records in 1989. When I did not recieve any type of royalties, Renaat then allowed me to release Digital Vamp in the U.S. on Groove Records. The release came out right after the opening of Groove Records in Brooklyn (April 21, 1990).

But with all due respect, does anything I am posting suggest that all of this is a myth? I am not going to do put my own credibility in jeapordy by lying. When Renaat did those two cover versions and we contacted him (we being Silvio Tancredi and Tommy Musto) the first thing he wanted to do was put out an original Musto & Bones track. But we just got signed to XL.

I had just met Joey. He pressed up 500 copies of his record "Let It Ride" by Direct. I will link that up in a minute.

It was at my request that Renaat should take a listen to Joey's track "Let It Ride". All he had to do was listen to it. And I told Joey to send him a copy. And if I am lying may God strike me dead. It was really no big deal. Joey's abilty to make records is not in question here. That record was banGin'....

And the rest is history.

Stay Tuned.

detour wrote:

Silvio Tancredi? Wasn't he labelboss of EXperimental? Or did Damon Wild?

djfrankiebones wrote:

@Joey, I did not see your above post when I wrote that. I did not want to put you to sleep either. I mean you want to get something more out of me, just ask?

What's the deal? Is that not exactly how it went down? Because if it is not I have'nt heard your side of the story?

Joey_Beltram wrote:

LOL...so thats your story on how i got signed to R&S, huh? :)
It was as a personal favor to you, was it?
Otherwise he woulda opened up his mailbox and said "WHATS THIS?? I aint fucken listen to this shit!!!" ...and threw it in the trash I'm guessing.

LOLOL

yeah, stay tuned....see ya!

djfrankiebones wrote:

Damon Wild wound up renting out the basement of that very same house we lived in.

BTW - here is the link for the 500 pressings of Direct.

Now, Joseph "Fucking" Beltram, what the fuck is wrong with you?
I never said he would have thrown the record in the Garbage. In fact I would bet he would have put the record out regardless of if I asked him too....

Everyone reading should know Joey was going to make history in techno regardless of if we had ever met or not. I never name drop him like I discovered the talent. Nugroove deserves credit for that.

That being said, it is the small things that mean the most. It was really going to happen either way IMO. But Joey said it was a myth.

Bullshit is what you posted, Joey.

Where in any of this topic do I sound like I am bullshitting?

For real. I told you I am not here to play games.

djfrankiebones wrote:

Joey's words once again: "LOL...so thats your story on how i got signed to R&S, huh? :)
It was as a personal favor to you, was it?
Otherwise he woulda opened up his mailbox and said "WHATS THIS?? I aint fucken listen to this shit!!!" ...and threw it in the trash I'm guessing.

LOLOL

yeah, stay tuned....see ya!"

Now after all of this, we never got an answer on how Joey got his record deal with R&S. But from the looks of things, Joey never said that is not what happened, so where do we stand within all of this?

I never suggested it was a personal favor. What happened is that Renaat wanted some real New York flavor and here is Joey with this self-pressed 500 copy release of a record that he made. That record is one of my favorite Beltram tracks and anyone in my position would have did the same thing.

Anyway, I got to get some sleep.

Joey, check your messages later.....

Joey_Beltram wrote:

Frankie "The Fucking Bullshit Artist" Bones..... hows that sound?
You cant sell me your stories, I was there at the begining...even befrore the begining...even back when i was 17 years old and already making records on my own from day one.

Anyway, the statement, made by you..."I helped Joey beltram get signed to R&S records"......is Bullshit.

Also, I'm not here flaming you...I'm just responding to a claim you made about ME.
If anything, you were flaming me, I just wasnt around at the time to see it when it was posted. ...LOL

Joey_Beltram wrote:

...Yeah, laterrrrrr.........

mayday wrote:

wow!

wrote:

pure class .....just like joey's tunes ;)

sp07 wrote:

robin wants revenge is by ray love is guess:

http://www.discogs.com/release/171029

wrote:

I dont agree with the link of these 2 releases sp07 because on the record review release and the jungle jams release there is no mention of Ray Love - so unless theres a fact sheet knocking around or Ray Love has made it public then theres no real evidence is there ?

detour wrote:

isn't this the one we are talking about?

wrote:

yep thats the one detour

BRUCE1991 wrote:

Hem...
What a come back...

djfrankiebones wrote:

Joey wrote: Frankie "The Fucking Bullshit Artist" Bones..... hows that sound?
You cant sell me your stories, I was there at the begining...even befrore the begining...even back when i was 17 years old and already making records on my own from day one.

Anyway, the statement, made by you..."I helped Joey beltram get signed to R&S records"......is Bullshit.

Also, I'm not here flaming you...I'm just responding to a claim you made about ME.
If anything, you were flaming me, I just wasnt around at the time to see it when it was posted. ...LOL

Where would you assume I am selling stories, Joey? You can think whatever you want. We never heard just how you did get your record deal with R&S.

You wrote you were there from the beginning. Beginning of what?
Explain that? I never said anything in this topic to suggest you were'nt.

Whatever this is about really has nothing to do with anything related to this topic.

Bottom line is this...Everything I posted in this thread is factual. Take it for what its worth, if it is worth nothing, it was free anyway. Selling stories? C'mon now, you got to be kidding me?

Frozman wrote:

reading the above I get the feeling B & B will get together
soon and make some records LOL

mrnex wrote:

anyone have any idea about 'Robin wants revenge' and it's true origins?

909_bd wrote:

Wow, this is the first time I read about Frankie Bones argueing with someone on this site.

Wobbler wrote:

If only everyone could be as restrained as you 909bd :)

Joey_Beltram wrote:

Hey Bones,
I did post how I got signed right here in this very thread

Also more in depth exactly how it happend Here

You just keep trying to inject yourself into shit you had no part of.
Face it...you had NO involvement in it, kid!

I aint going in circles in this thread anymore. I think enough info has been posted in this thread (that is till you start editing) for people to make up theyre own minds.
....Unless you got some new shit to add?

Also, watch your tone. I dont live on the otherside of the planet like other people you argue with on here so keep that in mind, ...and I aint no little kid.
But you already know where I'm from.

wrote:

wrote:

Nice one Mr Beltram thanks for the info.
You got any thing coming out in the near future ?

g-love wrote:

LOL @ this thread....

can we get jamie principle and frankie knuckles to join and argue who did the original of baby wants to ride :o)

selektastjarna wrote:

wow, i had no idea Mental Mayhem was Joey Beltram and Frankie Bones together... what an awesome track.

I would much prefer seeing you two make more awesome tracks together like that than displaying beef.

I swear I don't get what is going on between people in the music industry.... we really need to get it together cause the world is going to hell fast.

Divided we fall.

BassBooster wrote:

definitely.... HOT TOPIC

Brad.R wrote:

Man Joey I really love that Direct - Let It Ride record! It still sounds fresh and I still spin it. Was Section 25 very well known at that time?

spa5tik0lonz wrote:

this thrad has been highly interesting and exciting

spa5tik0lonz wrote:

thread*

KidJ wrote:

"If someone told me in 1996 that ten years on, I'd be witnessing a historical argument between Frankie Bones and Joey Beltram on a database website, in which they posted links to their own respective releases, I'd have told them to shut up and pass whatever it was that they were smoking."

hahahahaa, class!

kozmikdj wrote:

Dj_PC: pass me that popcorn... ;-)

BomberOne wrote:

I get Bunkerheaz got to bring Renaat in here : this would certainly add a some spice & fun! ;-) Ah ah ah!

djpepsi wrote:

dreamgirl, what have you done? ;P

g-love wrote:

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/bgr0117l.jpg

:o)

tracerfirefm wrote:

Finn wrote:

This must be more Brooklyn than Brooklyn.

langster wrote:

langster Sets up a refreshment stall around all the comfy armchairs :)

wrote:

Shmoo just loiters and does the honours skinning up :)

TEKNONUTTER wrote:

Shmoo, I'm seconds on that spliff I hope, thx, appreciated :)

wrote:

lol djpepsi .... it was an innocent thread :)

wrote:

you done with that spliff yet nutter ;)

dannyb wrote:

Ohhh how we are all loving this thread...;)

Nice one dreamgirl and double nice one Joey!!!

wrote:

Sorry dudes, really nice puff this. Roach anyone? Now what's 'appnin again? Fill me in. Not to worry i'll build another bifta :)

Joey_Beltram wrote:

:) :) :)
you guys are funny :)


@ Bunker,
I know you made bones a mod in this forum.
Just a quick question.... If bones wanted to, is it possible for him to go into my posts and edit my words, now or at anytime in the future.
Just wondering.



see, all the way down ;)

tracerfirefm wrote:

if he wanted to, yes.

BUNKERHEADZ wrote:

@ Joey - He can, but you will see an edited by frankiebones under ya reply.


check the reply where you asked mi this question ^^^

BUNKERHEADZ wrote:

BUNKERHEADZ edited this post 1 second ago.


like this ;)

BUNKERHEADZ wrote:

I made you an admin as well, now start editing the hell outta ya posts now, the both of ya LOL :P

Joey_Beltram wrote:

LOL :)

d3rf0ta wrote:

I hope to be as grouchy as you and the bones, when I get to your ripe old age ;)

Certainly something to look forward to...

Klaus151 wrote:

OMFGLMFAOROFL!!!!!!

TWTP wrote:

I remember hearing a rumor that Freddy Fresh used to work at a pizza joint and that he was fired for adding shavings of techno records to the pizza in order to make people listen to techno - sort of an act of sympathetic magic.

Heh.

sgannon wrote:

So you two lived in the same house and yet only made one record together? One evenings work and that's it?? Bloody lazy. At least it was a cracker!

d3a0n3 wrote:

Seeing how they get on so well, its amazing they managed to make one track.

djfrankiebones wrote:

TWTP wrote:

Guys, channel that enmity into a kick-ass collaborated Techno record!

Joey Vs. Frankie LP (2006):

a1: No Bullshit (Frankie Bones Rmx) 6:23
a2: Selling the (His)Story (Beltram 'LOL' Mix) 4:59
b1: I Was First ('No *I* Was!' Mix) 12:53
b2: Hey, Kid! 9:33
b3: LOLOL 2:42
b4: The Fucking Bullshit Artist (Beltram Reshape) 5:55

I'd buy three copies. Techno would be good again.

wrote:

lol

Xoc0L wrote:

*grabs popcorn*

I'm speechless...

Xoc0L wrote:

Joey Vs. Frankie LP (2006):

a1: No Bullshit (Frankie Bones Rmx) 6:23
a2: Selling the (His)Story (Beltram 'LOL' Mix) 4:59
b1: I Was First ('No *I* Was!' Mix) 12:53
b2: Hey, Kid! 9:33
b3: LOLOL 2:42
b4: The Fucking Bullshit Artist (Beltram Reshape) 5:55

Sounds like an R&S Mission2! promo *thumbs up*

Can't wait to see the artwork for it. LOL

wrote:

Seriously guys -- get it all out in the studio -- how about an EP where each one of you does an original track, and then remixes the other's? You know it would be sick.

Cause at the end of the day, words are just that, but music lasts.

BomberOne wrote:

Okay now, would you just stop!

We love U both. We know, just by listening to your music just EXACTLY who was doing what, at which point.
We all know the difference between Bonesbreaks and Code 6, and believe it or not, we love both !
History is written in the vinyl, not in the forums. And not in Bold.

@ Joey : Your music talked for itself, then, and nothing else can claim any share of your success. But Bones havin' talked about you to Renaat doesn't mean he's responsible for anything, except having been kind that day, perhaps ;-)

@ Frankie : Joey would have been signed anyway, I'm sure : the record he sent to Renaat certainly blasted his mind as it did for us all. But your help certainly added a small thing to the process. I guess that's what you meant...

So again, just like always, the truth is everyone is right, just a question of pov. Truth doesn't exists, there is just what we write on our soul day after day, with our thought and acts.

But again this forum shows one thing : the more word, the more trouble : that's why old wise men speak so little. (and so do I, of course, ah ah ah!)

Ps : why don't you guys join forces to brings us back Mundo ?!

tom wrote:

who ordered pizza?

selektastjarna wrote:

word up to BomberOne :)

BUNKERHEADZ wrote:

The first and only wise reply in this thread

AMEN Bomber! :)

Alain_Patrick wrote:

Well, I really don't know if I should be posting this story, but anyway...

I had a very , very close friend many-many-many years ago.

Now, we're not friends anymore, for he did something (also) many years ago that I thought was completely dishonorable (like inviting me to be his partner for a big event, loosing money and taking prejudice (as well as another friend) three times more than him, just acting as if nothing happened.
So, instead of being a true friend and asking if we needed help, this old friend just got all the money from the drink bottles left to loose less money. Alone.

I don't know, I feel like he has really been the proudest fellow ever all these years since then, thinking he is simply the best in the whole World, and posting that all over the way.
It is very difficult for me to forget some things (specially when it comes from someone ya would never expect) - but nowadays, I don't know why, so many years have passed - I don't feel angry or hurt anymore.

My other friend who was terribly affected by that event result years ago - decided to forgive him but I, I never said a word to the fellow in question since then.

Even though, I think we were all so naives, so young - and we were not prepared to face the commitments we've been through.
Know what?

I decided recently to keep only the good memories in mind. I lost a very close parent recently and it made me think about the inevitability of life: death.

One thing is for sure: we are not eternal, (not even in 3 a.m. LOL), so it would be better if we keep in mind the good moments of our lives...

This is not directed to anyone in special, I just wanted to post this story - and I'm very sorry for the off topic *(you can delete my post if you want).

Sometimes it's nearly impossible to forgive someone. But, after all, we should always ask ourselves: "Was it intentional? What about all the rest? Didn't worth it?"

allscool.com wrote:

Th KLF aren't 'The Freedom Fighters' they pretend to be, ie. taking F de Wulf's 'Liaisons D - Heart Beat' to be their own, because they were pissed at him sampling them.

Kopyright Liberation Front ? Buncha ARSE.

:|

tracerfirefm wrote:

'@ Joey : Your music talked for itself, then, and nothing else can claim any share of your success. But Bones havin' talked about you to Renaat doesn't mean he's responsible for anything, except having been kind that day, perhaps ;-)

@ Frankie : Joey would have been signed anyway, I'm sure : the record he sent to Renaat certainly blasted his mind as it did for us all. But your help certainly added a small thing to the process. I guess that's what you meant... '

thats how i read it too. Dont think it was meant to be condescending...?