jweijde wrote:

Is it ok to vote on a release when the images are not according to the image guidelines?

Mop66 wrote:

I would think so in principal, but I'm not sure who will receive the vote: the uploader of the images or the person who was doing the last change (even if the images were uploaded last!). Currently the last change is credited to the person who did the last change of the submission data even if images were uploaded by different persons. I saw that on some of my friend's submissions where I get the informatin that the sub was updated by them even if there wsa just an image uploaded by somebody else. So it might not be appropriate to vote on a false image if thevote does not go to the submitter of the image. Can somebody clarify?

SmotheredHope wrote:

This needs clarification. As I understand it the image part seems to have been taken out of the moderation (sorry, voting) process. That's my impression anyway.

jweijde wrote:

Any official word on this?

fleshmeatdoll wrote:

i created this bug report a while ago,
http://www.discogs.com/disbugs/565

because i also see a lot of new voters uploading false images.

nik wrote:

There is no voting on images, they just appear as part of the history. If you see an incorrect image, just disable it. If someone is adding a lot of incorrect images, let them know about it via PM, or let me know about it.

jweijde wrote:

But what is an incorrect image?
I've come across some submissions with images taken from Amazon.com. These images usually have a lot of white space around them and therefore need to be cropped.
The RSG images like these are not acceptable. So there's actually a part in the RSG we should ignore as voters?

corne_mo wrote:

You simply can't vote on images. End of story. If you vote on a submission that has wrong images, the vote goes to the submitter/last updater of the release info (I've got a couple of needs changes votes because of that) and not to the submitter of the images.
Only thing we can do is put the images in the do not display part (what a shit solution that is) and re-upload correct images ourself.

james_bland wrote:

The idea situation would be so that images also get voted on.

TechElec wrote:

If it's a new submission added with shoddy images I will ask the person to improve the cropping or replace the image before voting, it's all part of the submission process as far as I'm concerned, but it's a bit trickier when adding new images to accepted submissions.

In reply to what Nik said, if there is no voting on images, then why do image additions come up as a voteable change in 'recent chenges to my collection' etc?

BigTone wrote:

I've been involved with a submission recently where a "sleeve image" caused widespread confusion - turned out it wasn't a sleeve image at all, but a copied image from a website, which was SIMILAR to the sleeve. Wasn't a big problem, got sorted out eventually, but the confusion wasted everyone's time.

Often it's easy to spot "copied" images - but not always !!

Maybe the "must have release in possession" rule should also be "Images Rule #1" in red letters (like the main submission guide), and expanded to include "images must also be of the item you possess" wherever the rule is stated - rather than being somewhat "buried" like it is now.

Not sure what you can do about it in reality apart from disabling the image and pointing out the error of the submitter's ways via comment. (allowing "Voting" on images probably creates a bunch of other problems).

But I agree with jweijde, the practice is not as "unusual" out there in the jungle as you may think.....

neocactar wrote:

Images required voting in V3. I guess they're like comments now, no need to keep an eye on what's going into the database - just hope somebody stumbles across it someday.



Is it? I hadn't noticed... it's not a voteable change for artist profiles, at the least: Icicle. I added and set-to-primary that image yesterday, and no-one's approved it yet, nor does it appear in my submissions list.

SeRKeT wrote:

i just got notification of a change to items in my collection, one was images added , i had the option to vote on this and did so after viewing the image





rather daft IMO, it should be eh :)

corne_mo wrote:

You indeed get a "change to item in your collection" message when an image is added. You shouldn't vote at that moment though, cause you will be voting on the current state of the information of the release, not on the image itself.

julesparis wrote:

yep - another point to the credit of the ever so intuitive site called discogs ...
really those notifications should be sent in a separate batch or identified as images updates or something and have their own history as well ...

SeRKeT wrote:

i understand yup , to vote its best to view the sub too and check info





agreed , this would eliminate the problem corne mo has mentioned here

jweijde wrote:

In my opinion images are also part of the release information. When you're voting 'Correct' on a release with images you also indicate that the images are OK. Same counts for a negative vote.
I do agree though that it is a bit unfair to the last editor, because he will get the 'blame' and not the submitter of the image(s).

I know it's all correct by the logic of v4 design but the following questions remain:

1. Why does one get notifications of image submissions?
2. Why is one actually able to vote on those submissions ?
3. Why are the image guidelines included in the RSG ?

Especially the last one doesn't make any sense. What's the use of having those guidelines when you can not use them. Unless you fix image error yourself, but I that surely can't or won't do that in every case.