New Order ‎– Sub-Culture

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New Order's tenth single. Released on 28 October 1985. The first of three collaborations with US remixer John Robie. This was the first New Order single to be drastically remixed from the album version for single release.

Peaked at # 63 of the UK singles charts.

Unlike previous releases, with sleeve artwork, it is packaged in a generic gloss black die-cut sleeve, with credit to Peter Saville Associates for the typography on the centre labels. For many years, it was rumoured that Peter Saville (2) disliked the remixes so much that he refused to create artwork for it. However, on the 17th of April 2020, there was a livestream of New Order's MIF17 appearance at Old Granada Studios in July 2017. In a post livestream conversation between Dave Haslam, Saville and Liam Gillick, Saville denied the rumour stating that, "I never had the authority to say that there shouldn't be a sleeve. No, all I can presume is that one was not asked for.".

Tracklist

Sub-Culture 7:26
Dub-Vulture 7:57

Versions (23)

Cat# Artist Title (Format) Label Cat# Country Year
fac 133 New Order Sub-Culture(12", Single) Factory fac 133 UK 1985 Sell This Version
fac 133 New Order Sub-Culture(12") Factory fac 133 Belgium 1985 Sell This Version
FAC 133 New Order Sub-Culture(12") Factory Records Australasia, Factory FAC 133 New Zealand 1985 Sell This Version
FAC 133, fac 133 New Order Sub-Culture(12") Factory Records Australasia, Factory Records Australasia FAC 133, fac 133 Australia 1985 Sell This Version
FAC 133 New Order Sub-Culture(12") Base Record, Factory FAC 133 Italy 1985 Sell This Version
rtd 023 T New Order Sub-Culture(12") Factory rtd 023 T Germany 1985 Sell This Version
31 164 New Order Sub-Culture(12") Factory, Nuevos Medios 31 164 Spain 1985 Sell This Version
FACX 24 New Order Sub-Culture(12") Factory FACX 24 Canada 1985 Sell This Version
fac 133 New Order Sub-Culture(12") Factory fac 133 Scandinavia 1985 Sell This Version
YW-7433-AX, fac 133 New Order Sub-Culture(12") Factory, Factory, Columbia YW-7433-AX, fac 133 Japan 1985 Sell This Version
80224 New Order Sub-Culture(12", Maxi) Factory 80224 France 1985 Sell This Version
YW-7433-AX, fac 133 New Order Sub-Culture(12", Promo) Factory, Factory, Columbia YW-7433-AX, fac 133 Japan 1985 Sell This Version
FAC 133, fac 133 New Order Sub-Culture(12", Promo) Factory Records Australasia, Factory Records Australasia FAC 133, fac 133 Australia 1985 Sell This Version
0-20390, 9 20390-0 A New Order Sub-Culture(12", Single, All) Qwest Records, Qwest Records 0-20390, 9 20390-0 A US 1985 Sell This Version
0-20390, 9 20390-0 A, 9 20390-0 New Order Sub-Culture(12", Single, SRC) Qwest Records, Qwest Records, Qwest Records 0-20390, 9 20390-0 A, 9 20390-0 US 1985 Sell This Version
FAC 133 New Order Sub-Culture(12", TP) Factory FAC 133 UK 1985 Sell This Version
FAC 133 New Order Sub-Culture(12", TP) Factory FAC 133 UK 1985 Sell This Version
FAC 133 New Order Sub-Culture(12", TP) Factory FAC 133 Germany 1985 Sell This Version
7 FAC 133, 7 fac 133 New Order Sub-Culture(7") Factory, Factory 7 FAC 133, 7 fac 133 Belgium 1985 Sell This Version
fac 133 New Order Sub-Culture(7", Single) Factory fac 133 UK 1985 Sell This Version
FAC 133-7, Fac 133 New Order Sub-Culture(7", Single, TP) Factory, Factory FAC 133-7, Fac 133 UK 1985 Sell This Version
FAC 133-7 New Order Sub-Culture(7", Single, W/Lbl) Factory FAC 133-7 UK 1985 Sell This Version
none New Order Subculture(Acetate, 12", S/Sided) Not On Label (New Order) none US 1985 Sell This Version

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shuttleman

shuttleman

October 23, 2020
referencing Sub-Culture, 12", Single, fac 133
The alternative story is that Peter Saville was not commissioned to do a sleeve for this release.
It was rushed released with the intention of looking like dance record/import release 12”.
I have a friend who was working in retail at the time and the record literally turned up one week virtually unannounced, apparently.
jondavey

jondavey

September 5, 2019
referencing Sub-Culture, 12", Single, All, 0-20390, 9 20390-0 A
So is this a release that has the origional Album version ? Because Peter Savile was right, the remixes are shit !
Neasden

Neasden

February 24, 2018
referencing Sub-Culture, 12", Single, fac 133
I wonder what kind of professional was this Peter character.
Was it up for designers to judge those matters. Plain silly.
The single version, the 12" version and the respective dubs are absolutely great,
and far better than the sloppy Album version in Low-Life.
PatronSaintofScratch

PatronSaintofScratch

June 24, 2017
referencing Sub-Culture, 12", Single, fac 133

Nice type on label but not much else of a cover due to Saville's dislike for the remix. Album track far superior. The Pet Shop Boys owe a lot in sound and style to this one!
Scarcey

Scarcey

August 17, 2016
referencing Sub-Culture, 12", FAC 133, fac 133
Truly an underrated gem in my opinion. Sub-Culture get a messy but underground remix, by John Robie, but the truly great track is the B-side, the Dub remix titled "Dub-Vulture". A fantastic thumping underground club mix.
pyenapple

pyenapple

May 7, 2015
referencing Sub-Culture, 12", Single, fac 133

The remix here drives me crazy. I can not listen to it without the way Robie treated the synth completely throwing the rhythm of the track off for me, the way it emphasizes the offbeat so hugely that it sounds like it was mixed and mastered incorrectly. I challenge you to listen to it carefully and check out what he's adding on the offbeat through most of the song, it's...just amazingly off-balance, a real trainwreck. Honestly, if the level of that one track had been properly adjusted, it'd be a fine enough remix, but... yeah. Bad.
Bong

Bong

April 5, 2012
referencing Sub-Culture, 12", Single, fac 133
I have two copies of FAC133 that both were bought in Sweden. They are almost identical to this release except that they have MPO scratched out. I suspect that these are pressed in Sweden using stampers made from the UK master. Many other Swedish New Order releases were pressed this way but they are easier to distinguish.
stuhuggett

stuhuggett

March 26, 2012
referencing Sub-Culture, 12", fac 133
My Belgian copy comes with a spined, die cut, glossy black sleeve with Fac 133 printed on spine, and plain white paper inner.
rev.robert

rev.robert

November 27, 2002
referencing Sub-Culture, 12", Single, fac 133

there was no sleeve made for this 12" because peter saville hated it, and refused to design anything.