The Smiths ‎– Hatful Of Hollow

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Tracklist

William, It Was Really Nothing 2:09
What Difference Does It Make? 3:42
These Things Take Time 2:33
This Charming Man 2:43
How Soon Is Now? 6:43
Handsome Devil 2:46
Hand In Glove 3:14
Still Ill 3:54
Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now 3:34
This Night Has Opened My Eyes 3:40
You've Got Everything Now 4:18
Accept Yourself 4:02
Girl Afraid 2:45
Back To The Old House 3:02
Reel Around The Fountain 5:51
Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want 1:50

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ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Gar) Rough Trade ROUGH 76 UK 1984 Sell This Version
ROUGHC76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Album, Comp) Rough Trade, Crystal (6) ROUGHC76 Taiwan 1984 Sell This Version
6E373 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Album, Comp) Al Mansoor 6E373 United Arab Emirates 1984 Sell This Version
ROUGHK 776 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Album, Comp) Virgin, Rough Trade ROUGHK 776 Italy 1984 Sell This Version
ROUGHK 776 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Album, Comp) Virgin, Rough Trade ROUGHK 776 Italy 1984 Sell This Version
Rough C-76, Rough C76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp) Rough Trade, Rough Trade Rough C-76, Rough C76 UK 1984 Sell This Version
RTCANZ009 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp) Rough Trade RTCANZ009 New Zealand 1984 Sell This Version
TM/RT 076 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp) Rough Trade TM/RT 076 Portugal 1984 Sell This Version
Rough C-76, Rough C76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp) Rough Trade, Rough Trade Rough C-76, Rough C76 UK 1984 Sell This Version
RTCANZ 009 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp) Rough Trade RTCANZ 009 Australia 1984 Sell This Version
Rough C-76, Rough C76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp) Rough Trade, Rough Trade Rough C-76, Rough C76 UK 1984 Sell This Version
MC-ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp) Rough Trade MC-ROUGH 76 Philippines 1984 Sell This Version
50290 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp) Virgin, Rough Trade 50290 France 1984 Sell This Version
VG 50093 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp) Rough Trade VG 50093 Greece 1984 Sell This Version
RTCANZ 009 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp) Rough Trade RTCANZ 009 Australia 1984 Sell This Version
44 104-C, 44 104 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp, Blu) Nuevos Medios, Rough Trade, Nuevos Medios, Rough Trade 44 104-C, 44 104 Spain 1984 Sell This Version
RTCANZ 009 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp, Cle) Rough Trade RTCANZ 009 Australia 1984 Sell This Version
Rough C-76, Rough C76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp, Dif) Rough Trade, Rough Trade Rough C-76, Rough C76 UK 1984 Sell This Version
25 16424 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp, Dol) Rough Trade, Sire 25 16424 Canada 1984 Sell This Version
44 104-C, 44 104 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp, Gre) Nuevos Medios, Rough Trade, Nuevos Medios, Rough Trade 44 104-C, 44 104 Spain 1984 Sell This Version
44 104-C, 44 104 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp, Pur) Nuevos Medios, Rough Trade, Nuevos Medios, Rough Trade 44 104-C, 44 104 Spain 1984 Sell This Version
1142 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp, Unofficial) Michael 1142 Thailand 1984 Sell This Version
9626 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp, Unofficial) 747 9626 Saudi Arabia 1984 Sell This Version
AS 5179 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp, Unofficial) AS (4) AS 5179 1984 Sell This Version
T 6155 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp, Unofficial) Team Records (4) T 6155 Indonesia 1984 Sell This Version
LP-ROUGH-76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp) Rough Trade LP-ROUGH-76 Philippines 1984 Sell This Version
062-VG 50093, VG 50093 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp) Rough Trade, Rough Trade 062-VG 50093, VG 50093 Greece 1984 Sell This Version
ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, DFI) Rough Trade ROUGH 76 UK 1984 Sell This Version
70290 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Gat) Rough Trade, Virgin 70290 France 1984 Sell This Version
TM/RT 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Gat) Transmedia, Rough Trade TM/RT 76 Portugal 1984 Sell This Version
RTD 26, ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Gat) Rough Trade, Rough Trade RTD 26, ROUGH 76 Germany 1984 Sell This Version
ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Gat) Rough Trade ROUGH 76 Italy 1984 Sell This Version
25RTL-21 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Gat) Rough Trade 25RTL-21 Japan 1984 Sell This Version
25 16421 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Gat) Sire, Rough Trade 25 16421 Canada 1984 Sell This Version
ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Gat) Rough Trade ROUGH 76 UK 1984 Sell This Version
RTD 26 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Gat) Rough Trade RTD 26 Germany 1984 Sell This Version
25 16421 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Gat) Sire, Rough Trade 25 16421 Canada 1984 Sell This Version
ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Gat) Rough Trade ROUGH 76 Ireland 1984 Sell This Version
43 102 L, 43 102 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Gat) Nuevos Medios, Nuevos Medios, Rough Trade 43 102 L, 43 102 Spain 1984 Sell This Version
ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Gat) Rough Trade, MNW ROUGH 76 Sweden 1984 Sell This Version
ROULP 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Gat) Rough Trade ROULP 76 Italy 1984 Sell This Version
ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Gat) Rough Trade ROUGH 76 Europe 1984 Sell This Version
ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Gat) Megadisc ROUGH 76 Netherlands 1984 Sell This Version
ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, M/Print, CBS) Rough Trade ROUGH 76 UK 1984 Sell This Version
ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, M/Print, Gat) Megadisc ROUGH 76 Netherlands 1984 Sell This Version
ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, MPO) Rough Trade ROUGH 76 UK 1984 Sell This Version
25RTL-21 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Promo, Gat) Rough Trade 25RTL-21 Japan 1984 Sell This Version
70290 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, TP) Rough Trade, Virgin 70290 France 1984 Sell This Version
ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, W/Lbl) Rough Trade ROUGH 76 UK 1984 Sell This Version
RTD 26 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, W/Lbl) Rough Trade RTD 26 Germany 1984 Sell This Version
761.7056, 439.000 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow (Cass, Comp, Dol) WEA, WEA, Rough Trade, Rough Trade 761.7056, 439.000 Brazil 1985 Sell This Version
32JC-129 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp) Japan Record 32JC-129 Japan 1985 Sell This Version
Rough CD76, Rough CD 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp) Rough Trade, Rough Trade Rough CD76, Rough CD 76 UK 1985 Sell This Version
50290 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp) Virgin, Rough Trade 50290 France 1985 Sell This Version
RTRANZ 009 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp) Rough Trade RTRANZ 009 Australia 1985 Sell This Version
ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Gat) Rough Trade ROUGH 76 UK 1985 Sell This Version
RTRANZ009 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Gat) Rough Trade RTRANZ009 New Zealand 1985 Sell This Version
RTRANZ 009 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Promo) Rough Trade RTRANZ 009 Australia 1985 Sell This Version
ROUGH C76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp, RE) Rough Trade ROUGH C76 UK 1986 Sell This Version
ROUGH C76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp, RE, bei) Rough Trade ROUGH C76 UK 1986 Sell This Version
610.7056, 39.000 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Gat) Rough Trade, Rough Trade 610.7056, 39.000 Brazil 1986 Sell This Version
TM/RT 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, RE, Gat) Rough Trade TM/RT 76 Portugal 1986 Sell This Version
ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, RE, Sin) Rough Trade ROUGH 76 UK 1986 Sell This Version
30257 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp) Virgin, Rough Trade 30257 France 1987 Sell This Version
30257 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp) Virgin, Rough Trade 30257 France 1987 Sell This Version
VDP-5080 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, Promo, RE) Rough Trade VDP-5080 Japan 1987 Sell This Version
VDP-5080 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE) Rough Trade VDP-5080 Japan 1987 Sell This Version
ROUGH CD 76, ROUGH CD76, CD76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE, MPO) Rough Trade, Rough Trade, Rough Trade ROUGH CD 76, ROUGH CD76, CD76 UK 1987 Sell This Version
Rough CD76, Rough CD 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RP) Rough Trade, Rough Trade Rough CD76, Rough CD 76 UK 1987 Sell This Version
ROUGH CD76, ROUGH CD 76, CD76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RP, Nim) Rough Trade, Rough Trade, Rough Trade ROUGH CD76, ROUGH CD 76, CD76 UK & Europe 1987 Sell This Version
VIP-4218 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, RE) Rough Trade VIP-4218 Japan 1987 Sell This Version
ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, RE) Rough Trade ROUGH 76 UK 1987 Sell This Version
ROUK 776 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow (Cass, Comp, RE) Rough Trade ROUK 776 Italy 1988 Sell This Version
C30104 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Album, Comp, RE) Festival Records, Rough Trade C30104 Australia 1988 Sell This Version
RTD 26, ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, RE) Rough Trade, Rough Trade RTD 26, ROUGH 76 Germany 1988 Sell This Version
D 30104 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE) Rough Trade, Festival Records D 30104 Australia 1989 Sell This Version
L 30104 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, RE) Festival Records L 30104 Australia 1989 Sell This Version
RGH 20899 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, RE, Gat) Rough Trade RGH 20899 Italy 1989 Sell This Version
VICP-2002 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE) Rough Trade VICP-2002 Japan 1990 Sell This Version
SMITHS 2, 4509-91893-1 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(2x10", Comp, Ltd, Num) WEA, WEA SMITHS 2, 4509-91893-1 UK & Europe 1993 Sell This Version
450991893-1 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(2x10", Comp, W/Lbl) WEA 450991893-1 UK & Europe 1993 Sell This Version
CDW 45205 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp) Reprise Records, Sire CDW 45205 Canada 1993 Sell This Version
WMC5-543 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp) WEA WMC5-543 Japan 1993 Sell This Version
WMC5-543 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, Promo) WEA WMC5-543 Japan 1993 Sell This Version
4509-91893-2 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE) WEA 4509-91893-2 UK & Europe 1993 Sell This Version
4509-91893-2 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE) WEA 4509-91893-2 Europe 1993 Sell This Version
4509-91893-2 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE) WEA 4509-91893-2 Australia 1993 Sell This Version
9 45205-4 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp) Sire 9 45205-4 US 1993 Sell This Version
4-45205 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp, Promo) SIRE, Reprise Records 4-45205 US 1993 Sell This Version
4509-91893-4, SMITHS2C The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp, RE) WEA, WEA 4509-91893-4, SMITHS2C Europe 1993 Sell This Version
4509-91893-4, SMITHS2C The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp, RE) WEA, WEA 4509-91893-4, SMITHS2C Europe 1993 Sell This Version
4509-91893-4, SMITHS2C The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp, RE) WEA, WEA 4509-91893-4, SMITHS2C Europe 1993 Sell This Version
WPCR-302 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp) WEA WPCR-302 Japan 1995 Sell This Version
WPCR-302 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, Promo) WEA WPCR-302 Japan 1995 Sell This Version
450991893-2 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RP) WEA 450991893-2 Brazil 1997 Sell This Version
CDW 45205 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE) Sire, Reprise Records CDW 45205 Canada 2004 Sell This Version
WPCR-12439, WPCR 12439 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, Ltd, RE, Pap) WEA, WEA WPCR-12439, WPCR 12439 Japan 2006 Sell This Version
WPCR-12439, WPCR 12439 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, Promo, RE, Pap) WEA, WEA WPCR-12439, WPCR 12439 Japan 2006 Sell This Version
R2 45205 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE) Sire R2 45205 US 2011 Sell This Version
2564660487 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE, RM) WEA 2564660487 Europe 2011 Sell This Version
2564-66048-7 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE, RM) WEA, Warner Music Argentina 2564-66048-7 Argentina 2011 Sell This Version
2564660487 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE, RM) WEA 2564660487 UK 2011 Sell This Version
2564665875 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE, RM, LP ) Warner Music UK Ltd. 2564665875 UK & Europe 2011 Sell This Version
none The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CDr, Comp, Promo, RE, RM) Rhino Records (2) none UK & Europe 2011 Sell This Version
R1 45205 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, 180) SIRE R1 45205 US 2011 Sell This Version
825646658824 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, RE, 180) Rhino Records (2), Warner Bros. Records 825646658824 US 2012 Sell This Version
2564665882 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, RE, Gat) Rhino Records (2) 2564665882 Europe 2012 Sell This Version
ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Unofficial) Rough Trade (2) ROUGH 76 Europe 2015 Sell This Version
ROUGH 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(LP, Comp, Unofficial, Blu) Rough Trade (2) ROUGH 76 Europe 2015 Sell This Version
RTANZ 451070 2 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp) Rough Trade RTANZ 451070 2 Australia Unknown Sell This Version
4509-91893-2 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE) WEA 4509-91893-2 Europe Unknown Sell This Version
CDW 45205 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE) Reprise Records, Sire CDW 45205 Canada Unknown Sell This Version
45205-2 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE) Sire, Reprise Records 45205-2 US Unknown Sell This Version
4509-91893-2 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE) WEA 4509-91893-2 Europe Unknown Sell This Version
CDW 45205 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE) Reprise Records, Sire CDW 45205 Canada Unknown Sell This Version
4509-91893-2 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE) WEA 4509-91893-2 UK & Europe Unknown Sell This Version
45205-2 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE, RP) Sire, Reprise Records 45205-2 US Unknown Sell This Version
45205-2 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE, RP) Sire, Reprise Records 45205-2 US Unknown Sell This Version
Rough CD76, Rough CD 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE, RP) Rough Trade, Rough Trade Rough CD76, Rough CD 76 UK Unknown Sell This Version
45205-2 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RE, RP) Sire, Reprise Records 45205-2 Canada Unknown Sell This Version
Rough CD76, Rough CD 76 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(CD, Comp, RP) Rough Trade, Rough Trade Rough CD76, Rough CD 76 UK Unknown Sell This Version
MC-WEA 00918934 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp) WEA MC-WEA 00918934 Peru Unknown Sell This Version
50290 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp, RE) Virgin, Rough Trade 50290 France Unknown Sell This Version
50290 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp, RE) Virgin, Rough Trade 50290 France Unknown Sell This Version
CS 5999 The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow(Cass, Comp, Unofficial) C.S CS 5999 Indonesia Unknown Sell This Version

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plaidzebra

plaidzebra

August 8, 2020
referencing Hatful Of Hollow, LP, Comp, RE, Gat, 2564665882

I want to counter all the negative reviews by pointing out that my copy sounds great, silent when silence is desired and with full rich sound for the music, no EQ required. I owned the original Rough Trade press when I was a kid, and this is a fantastic replacement. I very much recommend this press, but given how many people report problems, maybe it's best to order from a seller with a generous return policy.

Otherwise it's a 5 star record, filled with great and unique music and even some unexpected different arrangements in the radio session tracks. A great introduction to the band, and essential for anyone who appreciates their work.

Surely one of the most consistently solid albums I own, and at 16 tracks, that says a lot.
gettingintovinyl

gettingintovinyl

July 9, 2020
referencing Hatful Of Hollow, LP, Comp, Unofficial, ROUGH 76
I think this is the pressing I have. Funny how I bought it on Discogs but now I can’t sell it on Discogs. I bought it because my wife’s original pressing is VG at best. But even at VG it sounds better / more open soundstage than this one. Live and learn and you get what you pay for...
westcoastcory

westcoastcory

July 3, 2020
referencing Hatful Of Hollow, LP, Comp, RE, Gat, 2564665882

This is a great sounding record. Here's 4 more words.
Shimmel

Shimmel

June 23, 2020
referencing Hatful Of Hollow, LP, Comp, RE, Gat, 2564665882
To my ears this pressing sounds really good. I doubt that it could sound better except for maybe cut a 45rpm and on double vinyl. Its as dynamic as its going to get, People . We're talking about LIVE, CONVENTIONAL instruments here and 56 minutes of music laid out across one lp.What you hear is The Smiths au naturale and it is pretty stellar. There's no sound wizardry to be had because it never existed on this in the first place! I have owned a cd of this for over twenty years and this pressing definitely sounds superior to that. This a perfectly acceptable reissue down to the packaging. Highly recommended! Or ....you could knock yourself out acquiring an original from Dear Olde England.
j.maderboeck

j.maderboeck

May 13, 2020
edited 3 months ago
referencing Hatful Of Hollow, LP, Comp, RE, Gat, 2564665882
The album itself is great! Unfortunately this particular pressing is "not the yellow from the egg", as we say in Austria. IMO its very silent and flat sounding. I must say that I don't have an original to compare with but I don't really enjoy this vinyl.
giuliopk69

giuliopk69

April 21, 2020
referencing Hatful Of Hollow, LP, Comp, Gat, ROUGH 76
My copy has different writings on the lower side of the back cover
tossinoff

tossinoff

April 2, 2020
referencing Hatful Of Hollow, LP, Comp, RE, Gat, 2564665882
Def flat. Mine sounds like it was recorded through an AM radio
midnightrunner

midnightrunner

January 14, 2020
referencing Hatful Of Hollow, LP, Comp, Gar, ROUGH 76
A comprehensive compilation of The Smiths's' hit music, with a high quality of pressing that lifts these compositions to a previously unheard of level of clarity, which is crystal clear. It is certain to make an ideal present for a friend or a loved one in your life, just so long as they are not offended, by Morrissey (the lead singer)'s very racist points of view!!
k2apache6.0

k2apache6.0

October 31, 2019
edited 9 months ago
referencing Hatful Of Hollow, LP, Comp, RE, Gat, 2564665882

As others have mentioned it's a little flat, the mids could use a slight bump. My pressing is perfectly centered and perfectly flat and clean. I bumped some of the mid frequencies up on my EQ and it sounded better balanced and a little richer. This is one record there's no perfect copy of it seems. The Sire version is pretty much the same from what I've heard. I also tried it with a Goldring 2100 as opposed to the OM 20 I had been using and that helped a lot too.
Kijomori

Kijomori

September 29, 2019
referencing Hatful Of Hollow, LP, Comp, RE, Gat, 2564665882
Not bad, as below I agree that this is a little bit flat. A quiet but somewhat lifeless pressing. You can pick this up at the moment in Europe for around 14 euros new... so not bad overall.