The Smiths ‎– This Charming Man

Rough Trade ‎– RTT 136
Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single, First

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First pressing without band's name "The Smiths" on the cover, Capitol Records parody logo for Rough Trade on both labels and back sleeve, and timtom/CBS mastering on the B-side, identifiable from a wide dead-wax area.
1983 Glad Hips Music
All words reproduced courtesy Glad Hips Music Limited ©1983

According to Simon Goddard's "Mozpedia", it was released November 1983 while "" says on 28 Oct 1983 (and "" on 31 Oct 1983)

The initial UK release of both the 12” (this) and the 7” featured an alternate Rough Trade logo that was a parody of the classic Capitol Records logo, with a capitol dome over “Rough” in bold cursive over “TRADE” typeset. The logo on the back of the sleeve added an oval ring (also a Capitol hallmark). Morrissey is said to have objected to its use, so the offending logos on the labels were first covered with stickers on both 7” and 12” versions, before altered labels and jackets were printed without the dome. Capitol Records does not appear to have objected to the parody of its trademark, so Rough Trade used the remaining “withdrawn” dome-logo sleeves throughout 1983-84 (especially for export copies), and as a result various combinations of labels and sleeves are common. For Discogs listings please explain with the listing if the sleeve and labels do not match.

(1) Timtom mastering both sides (wide dead wax on B-side), dome-logo on labels and sleeve (this version) (The Smiths - This Charming Man)
(2) as (1) but with round stickers covering the logo on the labels; sleeve logo unknown. (The Smiths - This Charming Man)
(3) New/altered labels and sleeves printed, showing the cursive Rough Trade logo only, without the domes. Timtom mastering as above. (The Smiths - This Charming Man)
(4) B-side remastered by Porky/George Peckham for improved sound (the dead wax is very narrow), using the remaining dome-logo labels and sleeves. (The Smiths - This Charming Man)
(5) New sleeves and labels: Band-name added to front, back cover with domed logo in oval, unchanged from version #1. New labels with the conventional Rough Trade logo and publishing credit changed from Glad Hips Music to Warner Bros. Music. Same Porky B-side mastering as (4). (The Smiths - This Charming Man)

A somewhat simplified version of these classifications appears at

Barcode and Other Identifiers

  • Matrix / Runout (Side A, hand-etched): RTT 136 A1 WILL NATURE MAKE A MAN OF ME YET?
  • Matrix / Runout (Side B, hand-etched): RTT 136 B1 timtom cbs
  • Matrix / Runout (Side B, stamped): ⋀

Other Versions (5 of 67) View All

Cat# Artist Title (Format) Label Cat# Country Year
RT 136 The Smiths This Charming Man(7", Sol) Rough Trade RT 136 UK 1983 Sell This Version
YZ0001C, 4509-90306-4 The Smiths This Charming Man(Cass, Single, RE, Gre) WEA, WEA YZ0001C, 4509-90306-4 UK 1992 Sell This Version
INT 110.149 The Smiths This Charming Man(7", Single) Intercord INT 110.149 Germany 1983 Sell This Version
4509-90317-2 The Smiths This Charming Man(CD, Single) WEA 4509-90317-2 Europe 1992 Sell This Version
RT 136 The Smiths This Charming Man(7", S/Sided, W/Lbl) Rough Trade RT 136 UK 1983 Sell This Version


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May 24, 2018
Hello there,
my copy is exactly like this one (sleeve, labels, etc) even dead wax but etching is A2 B2 instead of A1 B1. Different version or just variation for different stampers ?


March 12, 2017
edited about 1 year ago
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