• quisquilia over 9 years ago

    quisquilia edited over 9 years ago
    We will remember you.

    http://www.discogs.com/user/Damnote - moderator, oggercide, March 12, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/Horoma - moderator, oggercide, March 17, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/jasmithers - moderator, oggercide, April 4, 2008

    http://www.discogs.com/user/labeatrokka - moderator, oggercide, March 17, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/lazlo_nibble - moderator, oggercide, March 13, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/Never_Again - moderator, oggercide, April 3, 2008

    http://www.discogs.com/user/dj_purity_control - moderator, removed from mod team by the management, November 5, 2007
    http://www.discogs.com/user/dmaxx - moderator, removed from mod team by the management, February 8, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/francoisb - moderator, removed from mod team by the management
    http://www.discogs.com/user/jdr - moderator, removed from mod team by the management, March 15, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/SC725 - moderator, removed from mod team by the management, January 6, 2008

    ( http://www.discogs.com/user/Horoma - moderator, left mod team about disagreement with the management ) - vide supra
    http://www.discogs.com/user/Iron_Fist - moderator, left mod team about disagreement with the management, February 12, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/MR_E - moderator, left mod team about disagreement with the management, February 13, 2008

    Moderators: Old Guard (added on request)

    http://www.discogs.com/user/MONK - moderator, left mod team about disagreement with the management, October 2005
    http://www.discogs.com/user/pusha2007 (Pushaman) - editor, left mod team about disagreement with the management, 2004
    http://www.discogs.com/user/tekkno-guy - moderator, removed in 2004

    MIA

    http://www.discogs.com/user/Adversus - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 23, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/Alton2 - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/AnalogAutomat - moderator, inactive due to v4
    http://www.discogs.com/user/asylum27 - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/avvy - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 15, 2008

    http://www.discogs.com/user/azzurro - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/balcony_smoker - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 15, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/Beyonder26 - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/blunted1995 - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/Boytronik - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 10, 2008

    http://www.discogs.com/user/brianlavelle - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 31, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/Conceited_2 - moderator, inactive due to v4
    http://www.discogs.com/user/czarwa - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 16, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/darkwave - moderator, inactive due to v4
    http://www.discogs.com/user/Deepbass9 - moderator, inactive due to v4, April 7, 2008

    http://www.discogs.com/user/Dimple - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/donnacha - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 20, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/earshot - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 11, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/Electro-Magnetic - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/eliks_postindustry - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 2008

    http://www.discogs.com/user/elisel - editor, inactive due to v4, March 11, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/EricLanzillotta - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/Escapist - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 20, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/euroduo - moderator, inactive due to v4, April 9, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/fleshmeatdoll - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008

    http://www.discogs.com/user/FLuViRuS - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 13, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/forxe - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/fritzb - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 14, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/Ganjoe_Rood - moderator, inactive due to v4
    http://www.discogs.com/user/Gizmex - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 15, 2008

    http://www.discogs.com/user/goemon - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/hafler3o - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 21, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/hmvh - moderator, inactive due to v4, April 9, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/inexpressible - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/JAKAZiD - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 30, 2008

    http://www.discogs.com/user/Jester1973 - moderator, inactive due to v4
    http://www.discogs.com/user/julesparis - editor, inactive due to v4, March 18, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/kaizer_cirque - moderator, inactive due to v4
    http://www.discogs.com/user/Kater_Murr - moderator, inactive due to v4
    http://www.discogs.com/user/Kergillian - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 13, 2008

    http://www.discogs.com/user/Klak - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 20, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/kozmikdj - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/kvikkekanin - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 18, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/kwulf - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 20, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/la-voie-du-sabre - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 16, 2008

    http://www.discogs.com/user/leebartman - moderator, inactive due to v4, April 4, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/little_alien - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 16, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/mayday - editor, inactive due to v4, April 1, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/monoton - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 18, 2008
    ( http://www.discogs.com/user/Never_Again - moderator, inactive due to v4 ) - vide supra

    http://www.discogs.com/user/PKS - moderator, inactive due to v4, April 1, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/prancinghorse - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 20, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/psychonausea - editor, inactive due to v4, March 13, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/psymonkey - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 27, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/pureterror - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 31, 2008

    http://www.discogs.com/user/quisquilia - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 27, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/rassel - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 22, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/raulus - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/rev.robert - moderator, inactive due to v4
    http://www.discogs.com/user/rocket.romano74 - moderator, inactive due to v4

    http://www.discogs.com/user/royb0t - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 20, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/Schweppsner - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 13, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/sjcee - editor, inactive due to v4
    http://www.discogs.com/user/SirTweak - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/skutchy - moderator, inactive due to v4, April 1, 2008

    http://www.discogs.com/user/spacegirl3 - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 19, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/Stadt.Kind - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/steady-j - moderator, inactive due to v4
    http://www.discogs.com/user/Stormbringer - editor, inactive due to v4
    http://www.discogs.com/user/terje - moderator, inactive due to v4

    http://www.discogs.com/user/TETT_TAAKE - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 20, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/ThirstyDragon - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/urbazon - moderator, inactive due to v4
    http://www.discogs.com/user/V-12 - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/Vor-Teks - moderator, inactive due to v4

    http://www.discogs.com/user/Weasle - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 20, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/ziggysmurfdust - moderator, inactive due to v4, March 10, 2008

    MIA: Unknown

    Two unknown moderators have been lost on the fields of v4 on March 16, 2008.

    Users (added on request)

    http://www.discogs.com/user/AXSo - user, inactive due to v4, March 20, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/Goad - user, inactive due to v4, March 27, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/instanceof - user, inactive due to v4, March 30, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/marcelrecords - user, inactive due to v4, March 22, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/MWLAnge - user, inactive due to v4, March 22, 2008

    http://www.discogs.com/user/noiseupnorth - user, oggercide, March 20, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/oil_viber - user, inactive due to v4, March 24, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/tony.lee - user, inactive due to v4, April 1, 2008
    http://www.discogs.com/user/xruntime - user, oggercide, March 24, 2008

    (Tbc.)

    Please post at http://www.discogs.com/groups/topic/159284 if you want to be added as inactive (MIA) or want to say bye (KIA).
    Please help to identify the unknown moderators MIA.
  • Anonymous over 9 years ago

    Yes, respect to both of them. And I can fully understand their (lack of) motivation. But hey, the marketplace doesn't need them, right ?
  • tony.lee over 9 years ago

    Is there truely any alternative to Discogs?
    Isn't it time the hundreds of people who care do something for themselves.
    I would love the idea that something to compete with discogs was being set up.Something with integrity and accuracy.
    I'm not ready to join the guys in oggercide just yet but would be willing to at least load the gun if I saw a brighter light.
  • fleshmeatdoll over 9 years ago


    tony.lee
    Is there truely any alternative to Discogs?


    the longer v4 runs the more alternatives will become apparent.
    not because they are new alternatives, but because discogs has plummeted below their level.
  • hafler3o over 9 years ago

    In Memoriam, come and gaze at the names 'lost in action'. A few more names should also be added, lost in preliminary skirmishes prior to V4. I am being serious.
  • Escapist over 9 years ago

    The bugle plays a cadence to the fallen heroes...

    Not to mention the time and effort put into this site from both submitters and mods. All that WASTED.

    Talk about pissing on a grave...
  • quisquilia over 9 years ago

    hafler3o
    A few more names should also be added, lost in preliminary skirmishes prior to V4. I am being serious.

    I will update accordingly, just post in this thread.
  • ihall over 9 years ago

    http://www.discogs.com/user/Iron_Fist -- moderator, left mod team about disagreement with the management

    Plenty still here who are obviously highly unsatisfied:
    http://www.discogs.com/user/azzurro
    http://www.discogs.com/user/028 (not sure if this is supposed to be a statement, but it seems pretty prescient)
    http://www.discogs.com/user/djrez1
    http://www.discogs.com/user/vargind
    http://www.discogs.com/user/kvikkekanin
    http://www.discogs.com/user/perham
    http://www.discogs.com/user/asylum27
    http://www.discogs.com/user/hmvh
    http://www.discogs.com/user/sdevo
    http://www.discogs.com/user/blach

    Haven't updated my profile yet, but my feelings about v4 are the same. I've seen a lot of negative reaction to changes in the past, but never this many people just throwing up their hands in disgust. This is so unfortunate. :-(
  • azzurro over 9 years ago

    thnx for listing me ;P

    Don't forget that DJ_Purity_Control was the original composer of the Image Guidelines, http://www.discogs.com/help/submission-guidelines-images.html

    IMO, the most clear written guideline to be found here and perfect understandable for non-native english speaking submitters as well.
  • jdr over 9 years ago

    I haven't modded or submitted anything in over a month. As of Feb 26th, I canceled/deleted over 175 release/edits/ANVs with the majority (150-160) being new submissions. I deleted my entire collection and about 30-40 drafts. The fun of it is just simply not there anymore nor do I care to line teo's pockets with cash anymore..
  • shadowslip over 9 years ago

    it is sad. I know I've only been subbing a short time but i don't feel like doing it anymore. I thought i was supporting a community site but i know its not now.

    i dont know if i should sub anymore
  • goadiroth over 9 years ago

    :*(
  • sdevo over 9 years ago

    sdevo edited over 9 years ago
    This should be the flag....

    Current feeling about V4:
    ....................../´¯/)
    ....................,/¯../
    .................../..../
    ............./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸
    ........../'/.../..../......./¨¯\
    ........('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...')
    .........\.................'...../
    ..........''...\.......... _.·´
    ............\..............(
    ..............\.............\...

    Thanks azzurro this made my morning (I'm downunder)....
    Can I use it too?
    SDevo

    PS Respect to the above mods that have gone, all were excellent at the unpaid and disrepected job of modding subs. I would go so far as to say that nearly all users (registered before Nov-07) would have had at least one vote from each of the above mods who have gone. RESPECT
    BUMP
  • ihall over 9 years ago

    It just burns me up to think that we had what seemed to be a mutually useful system for collectors/archivists and the like whose main interest was having a common site to facilitate the indexing of their music collections AND marketplace users who use the site primarily or exclusively to sell music. I've said before -- maybe I'm missing something, but I really don't see how the changes made in v4 are an improvement for EITHER type of user. In v3, users could still sell "unmoderated" items, no matter how crappy their entries were. I could even have seen them simply removing the ability for mods to remove bad entries via "No" votes (so sellers wouldn't complain about having their incomplete subs removed when they were trying to sell them) but getting rid of the central queue and making all edits live with no prior modding is just daft. I'm feeling overwhelmed and not very motivated right now. :-(

    azzurro -- sorry if i made too much of a public show of your opinion, but i'm really feeling the same way right now. i worked hard to earn mod rights because this site was one of the rate online resources in its effort to balance the quality and quantity of data being submitted, with the emphasis on quality.

    i really wonder what benefits there are to this new version for the site administrators.
  • ihall over 9 years ago

    rate = rare...typo'd!
  • Anonymous over 9 years ago


    ihall
    i really wonder what benefits there are to this new version for the site administrators.


    None, except unmotivated members :(
  • mayday over 9 years ago

    it's disappointing to say the least, the way things have panned out recently
  • tony.lee over 9 years ago

    I would like to give my respect for those who have been brave enough to stand up and react in their respective ways.
    I am too much of a coward to throw in the towel but if I had an option, a place to move my interest to, I would seriously think about it.
    Is there any thing being set up that will give us serious music freaks something we can call 'Our community'?
  • ihall over 9 years ago

    Well, folk...at least we still have some humor. Here's another user expressing discontent over v4 in his profile. This image gives azzurro's a run for the money, though the finger is still my favorite. :-)

    http://www.discogs.com/user/Electro-Magnetic
  • asylum27 over 9 years ago

    asylum27 edited over 9 years ago
    ihall
    Plenty still here who are obviously highly unsatisfied:


    Thanks for listing me....for those who can't access the (ex-)mods forum, there are dozens more to add to that list...in fact its pretty much universal, and there is a growing call for a reversion to the point, on 9th March, where some sort of sanity prevailed.

    teo is largely silent but even in nik's comments you can feel that he's having trouble defending the indefensible..they are very half hearted at best. I'm pretty sure he knows V.4 is a disaster zone and one would hope he is expressing that behind the scenes to Kevin.
  • Escapist over 9 years ago

    If it weren't for the survivors' humor in these forums, I'd never come back.

    At this point this is NO LONGER A "COMMUNITY-BUILT DATABASE".

    Teo should remove this from the homepage. It's false advertising.

    I've been here for 4 years. I truly am saddened and offended.

    I'm an unhappy 'cogger today...

    [cue strings section]
  • Iron_Fist over 9 years ago

    I'm seriously thinking of comitting oggercide, but I don't think I have the courage yet. I've invested so much time and work in this site, surely not as much as many of you, and now that V4 is live, I can only feel that it's all been wasted.

    When this was announced one month ago, it was like receiving a punch in the face from a near friend. Although I knew it would happen sooner or later, I was quite taken aback. All moderators would be thrown out the door like garbage with no due respect to our voluntary work. That's why I had to leave the mod team.

    Peace and respect to all those mentionned in this thread. I hope the dream will continue somewhere else.
  • Kergillian over 9 years ago


    Iron_Fist
    I'm seriously thinking of comitting oggercide, but I don't think I have the courage yet. I've invested so much time and work in this site, surely not as much as many of you, and now that V4 is live, I can only feel that it's all been wasted.


    I'm on the way out. At this point I can count the days before I give up and pack it in. It's only a mater of time.
  • euroduo over 9 years ago

    The fun is over, this site has gone to pieces.
    http://www.discogs.com/user/euroduo
  • Escapist over 9 years ago

    I'm shocked that threads like this get no feedback from the "higher ups".

    I wish I was a IT expert or hacker. I'd come up with a script/program/virus to remove EVERY SINGLE SUBMISSION I took the time to submit from the database.

    Personally, there should be an option to do this in MYDISCOGS.
  • corne_mo over 9 years ago

    Escapist
    I'm an unhappy 'cogger today...

    That shouldn't be, all changes were made to keep all ogger happy. ;-)
  • frodekommode over 9 years ago

    Been here less then 2 years and "made it" to #61 on the contributer list with a rank of close to 13.400 (non-important, but to show my dedication prior to v4).

    Iron_Fist, you speak for the both of us:

    "I'm seriously thinking of comitting oggercide, but I don't think I have the courage yet. I've invested so much time and work in this site.

    When this was announced one month ago, it was like receiving a punch in the face from a near friend. Although I knew it would happen sooner or later, I was quite taken aback. All moderators would be thrown out the door like garbage with no due respect to our voluntary work."

    I haven't voted once since v4 was introduced, and added 2 small releases. The fun is gone.

    Talk Talk - The Party's Over
  • Mop66 over 9 years ago

    Mop66 edited over 9 years ago
    Now that obviously all V4 functions are up and running I have lost hope that it finally turns into something that is still giving me a similar level of statisfaction compared to what we were doing before.
    What really disappoints me is the fact that the communication between members was effectively destroyed (on purpose?). This is not a community anymore besides in the forums/groups but no longer on the main topic: the subs. Until I can see what happens on my subs again, who comments/votes, until I can discuss or even fight again about it in a manner that I was used to I am not going to contribute more than just taking a minimal bit of care of the subs in the DB from me already. It was only three month that I was part of this project but it was fun. I really had not seen it coming like this....too bad, but I have other things to do that I even get paid for and which are also fun. So see you once in a while and have fun (elsewhere).

    My respect to all the above mentioned lost mods, all current mods and frustrated members, who cared about quality.
  • SirTweak over 9 years ago

    Reading this thread it's very sad. I look back on the 'good old days' of accuracy with fondness knowing they'll never return.

    Kudos to the all the mods, and the above fallen heroes.

    Yes it was exciting to be part of something so great, but these wounds are deep and I'm not sure they'll ever heal.
  • azzurro over 9 years ago


    sdevo
    Can I use it too?


    Sure you can!

    ihall
    sorry if i made too much of a public show of your opinion,


    No problem mate. If I don't want my opinion to be public, I would not post it in my profile. I'm from Holland and we like our freedom of speech...
  • tony.lee over 9 years ago

    tony.lee edited over 9 years ago
    .
  • SpeakerfreaK over 9 years ago


    azzurro
    Sure you can!


    copied and applied :)
    Bedankt goos!
  • quisquilia over 9 years ago

    Summary of v4: http://www.discogs.com/user/FLuViRuS
    Fully agreed.
  • SC725 over 9 years ago

    Hmm...where do I start. When I first checked Discogs many many moons ago, I subbed a Mariah Carey record for a laugh (this one). Then I got a couple more, and realised they weren't in yet, so I subbed a few more. And a few more. And before I knew it, I was actually setting time aside in my personal life so that I could submit my records and CD's and have a central hub where everyone could access them.

    My other thing was that I kept seeing requests on a message board I visit everyday, for tracklistings of latest Promos and older records. They usually went along the lines of: "Was the Thunderpuss Hands In The Air Mix of Madge - Don't Tell Me ever released on CD?" etc etc. And so the more we built up the database, the more I could direct people onto OUR Database. Then as we matured from v.1 it was clear we were REALLY getting somewhere. We had crazy accurate credits, I was finding out so much about the music I loved, and clicking a few links helped me discover so much more.

    I built up relationships with other subbers to ensure that we could get the latest Pop/Dance promos in asap so that everyone could see the mailouts to DJ's. I worked with Michael Jackson and Madonna collectors to try and get as much rare stuff in as possible; I'm a huge MJ fan and some of the stuff I was seeing made my eyes pop out. Rare mixes were now available, etc etc. It was getting really good. I also started helping to build new Remixer/producer profile pages. I got emails and MySpace messages from Hani and Jody Den Broeder thanking me for adding all this stuff.

    Then we got the clusterfuck that is v3.0 and everything started going downhill. It became clear that we were moving into an era of Discogs that was not beneficial for anything other the wallets of the 3 people who earn money from this site. Management built up a hierarchy and aura of "I'm better than you", and nothing - not a single thing was listened to from the moderaters side. I know it's easy for casual subbers to come here and see things and say "well the mods are overreacting and management are acting in the best interests of everyone." But for those of you who weren't privvy to the Mod forums, we begged and pleaded. Almost on a daily basis, both for changes to make it better for subbers and mods alike, and also to not damage OUR site. For those of you who are still wondering what happened when we posed ALL of these questions to management regarding the issues that were occuring - this was the result. A banning of a long-standing mod, for daring to disagree with the changes that were ruining OUR database.

    It's truly horrifying to see all your hard work over a good few years undone within hours, at a click of a button. All that time and effort not just for me, but for everyone who contributed to this site - all gone. I know some of you are reading this and are thinking "wow - this dude needs to get a life". But when you spend time away from your family, friends, even take up your holiday time to devote to helping build an online DB, it's really heartbreaking to see someone not only have the power, but actually use it, to destroy it.

    The DB gives NO useful information on latest releases because the information entered is a load of shite. Most of the hardcore subbers don't bother anymore, cos you go to enter something, only to realise some twat has gone in and entered a websub from an .nfo file he downloaded on a Scene Release (and has done it WRONG). We were on the brink of something really good, and it's all gone.

    nik and teo - I hope all that $$$ was worth it. I would request a reponse on this thread to the numerous long-standing members who have left (willingly or not). But you have both long mastered the skill of avoiding the difficult questions posed to you, and/or give deliberately vague answers that ultimately amount to nothing. Totally pathetic.
  • rokkrx over 9 years ago

    Respects to those mods removed by management, and those users and mods brave enough to walk away from this clusterfuck. Though disaffected and submitting little, i can't stop myself from waiting and seeing how awful it can still get.
  • ShampooCell over 9 years ago

    Your words are a nice summation of my similar grievances with the site, SC725, even though I haven't been here as long as you have. I do remember the days of accurate data, and I feel sorry for all the people who didn't come across the site in time to see the awesome thing that it was.
  • blach over 9 years ago

    tony.lee
    Then one day I come home and she's in bed with the nieghbour, but still, maybe this can still work out??
    It's the same feeling here.


    But this picture is in fact worse : The guy she is sleeping with turns to b...f... you, as you arrive. Pardon my french.
  • blach over 9 years ago

    Edit : Sorry - hit refresh ...

    Wasn't this bug fixed in V4 ?
    Well : Who cares ...
  • shadowslip over 9 years ago

    how many admin are left then?
  • blach over 9 years ago

    Well, - I've only been around for three months plus. Actively submitting (185 releases, plus profiles, images and comments) since January 1st, and my only concern is, that my submissions will/could be corrupted, when I leave. Surely, there's no fun left here. All respect SC725 - but one doesn't have to be a Discogs "old-boys", to get frustrated about V4.

    Anybody starting a parallel Discogs with greater concern for data quality - look me up, please.

    Just a thought : A lot of fellow users talks about "fake memberships" - moderating and posting with one-self so to speak. Nobody knowing nik's real name - could it be, that nik is in fact teo ?
  • blach over 9 years ago

    Edit - another refresh. sorry.
  • Joseph_S over 9 years ago


    blach
    Nobody knowing nik's real name - could it be, that nik is in fact teo ?


    o_O
  • ShampooCell over 9 years ago

    blach
    Nobody knowing nik's real name - could it be, that nik is in fact teo?

    I've seen no evidence that could disprove this. They very well may be one and the same. Does that really change anything though? It just makes the good cop/bad cop scenario even more amusing because the cops are one and the same.
  • Mop66 over 9 years ago


    blach
    nik is in fact teo

    One person with a crush on three letter names??..I had the same idea also before. In the end it does not matter, does it?
  • shadowslip over 9 years ago

    TEO Nik
    =
    The Executive Officer Nik

    aahhhh :)
  • z-music over 9 years ago

    Arent you people a bit scared of something new? I understand anger dissapointment ... but why don't give few more days? Why waste all great job u all did here? You all complaining about Nik ... but wasn't discogs his idea? I don't believe he wanna ruin Discogs, and I believe the changes he did here will work out in the future... Life changes all the time why Discogs should stay always the same? Greetings to you all. Let's try to understand and accept the changes together.... or am I naive?
  • shadowslip over 9 years ago

    people here have put several years (in some cases) of their own time to make sure the subs are correct. This new version anyone can come along and change a sub to anything they like. The changes go live straight away

    It sits waiting for a vote but in V3 you had to wait for a mod to OK it before it went live.

    I think that's the main grevience people have.

    some of the stuff I like though
  • shadowslip over 9 years ago

    Plus there's a lot of stuff in the mod forums that we don't get to see. Issues between Nik and the mods/editors.

    There's a link floating around these forums somewhere but that's a subject I'm not touching with a 10 foot barge pole.
    :)
  • Jayfive over 9 years ago

    No teo isnt nik XD

    Teo advertised for the job of forum manager and nik (or electronik as he was known originally) got the job.

    He changed it from 'electronik' becuase he said it shows a bias to one genre of music on ogs :)
  • Haze over 9 years ago

    z-music
    ...You all complaining about Nik ... but wasn't discogs his idea?...


    No

    z-music
    ...Let's try to understand and accept the changes together.... or am I naive?


    Yes
  • shadowslip over 9 years ago

    It wasn't his idea?

    I thought it was
  • SirTweak over 9 years ago

    No Teo was the original founder of Discogs back in 2000.
  • shadowslip over 9 years ago

    ahh

    thanks
  • ihall over 9 years ago

    shadowslip
    Plus there's a lot of stuff in the mod forums that we don't get to see. Issues between Nik and the mods/editors.


    Actually, the admins are just as mum there as they are in the General Forum.

    z-music
    Arent you people a bit scared of something new? ... Let's try to understand and accept the changes together...or am I naive?


    We are *absolutely* scared of and saddened/angered by v4! The functions that used to facilitate the checking of data prior to it going live have been removed, and already we've seen dozens and dozens of cases of faulty submissions going into a number of the more closely monitored artist & label pages. One can only imagine how many hasty submissions are popping up in more obscure corners of the site.

    I'm inclined to say that you are a bit naive if you don't grasp that these updates have imperiled the integrity of this website and the accurate data that so many of us have put so much time and effort into submitting. Can you describe any real benefit these new changes have offered?

    I understand that teo and nik can only do and respond to so much, but I find it really distressing that there hasn't been any kind of "State Of v4 Address" or response from them, considering the large number of concerns that have been raised over the past few days since the change.

    I'm not trying to foment...in fact, I've historically been very quiet on the boards, but this update seems to offer nothing for those of us who have worked so hard to maintain the accuracy & integrity of data, and only limited benefit to marketplace sellers -- as I see it, the only real bonus for them is being able to "get away with" having crappy subs in the database for longer because they are harder to track down and vote against.

    I am open to the possibility that more changes could shape this new system into something workable, but not without a serious re-thinking of the voting system and the return of many of the functions that made voting / modding more easy. Certainly, it seems that finding a way to incorporate rank points is a very hot topic, as well.

    Hard not to be edgy with no response yet from management.
  • Mop66 over 9 years ago

    Jayfive
    No teo isnt nik XD

    I did not really believe it, but the idea was somehow ... funny! And we don't have a lot else to laugh about these days.
  • z-music over 9 years ago


    ihall
    Can you describe any real benefit these new changes have offered?


    Yes sure: http://www.discogs.com/release/1156791 - this will be not happen anymore (I hope) . Compare both of them ... do u see any difference? http://www.discogs.com/release/1215531

    First was rejected by mod only because he wanted to prove he is an God here ... He tried to train me like a puppy and did a lot to make me banned only because I've proved he wasn't right ... I'm happy he will not reject any of my sub anymore only bec ause I blocked him (Well he wrote that few times as a reason). I'm trully happy about that.... Every weekend when he was logging in my horror started. Only because he wasn't right so he did my life here very very complicated with some help of the others ... so don't say everything was so great here. I don't say every mod was like this ... many of you were really friendly and really helpful.... but 2 or 3 of you were just kids who got powerful toy in their hands...
  • fritzb over 9 years ago

    You can add me to the list of mods who used to care. I won't commit oggercide, but I'm done here.
  • hafler3o over 9 years ago

    ^^ neither have any history so it's difficult to see what you are getting at. Was it a guidelines issue?
  • z-music over 9 years ago

    yes he said when collaborations released 2 titles they are listed as one artist but guidelines says about 3 and more releases so I was right ....

    mods did subs without seeing release (sub with fiction credits or ghost artists) another mods accepted such a sub and Discogs showed releases with lots of errors... it was "kind of mafia behaviour" in my opinion.
  • Haze over 9 years ago

    Enough of your blabla now. This is the wrong thread for such things, open your own if you think you have to tell something important. Btw, you should have submitted Submission Complaint Reports if you think you have been treated wrong by mods.
  • asylum27 over 9 years ago


    z-music
    Yes sure: http://www.discogs.com/release/1156791 - this will be not happen anymore (I hope) . Compare both of them ... do u see any difference? http://www.discogs.com/release/1215531


    A one off incident, without hearing the other side hardly qualifies as a indicative of a benefit in V.4. As Haze said you had access to a SCR....did you file one? If not, you have no real comeback or reason for complaint.

    z-music
    it was "kind of mafia behaviour" in my opinion.


    Really? A grand conspiracy? Can you back this with solid evidence.

    As Haze says..start your own thread on this (or contact the community-manager-in-hiding)
  • z-music over 9 years ago

    z-music edited over 9 years ago
    Haze
    Enough of your blabla now


    Yours as well ... it was an answer ... read a bit more above and u will see why I wrote this. by the way... Being friendly doesn't hurts - do u know that?

    asylum27
    As Haze says..start your own thread on this (or contact the community-manager-in-hiding)


    As well read few lines above... I don't look for the justice .... I'm happy about v4, and what I wrote was an example why.

    Maybe it's bla bla bla, maybe I'm silly or whatever but look at you, crying instead of thinking about the future. Don't like it here? Do someone force you to be here? I don't think so. Take deep breath, stop treating yourselves like Gods, impossible to replace, and working so hard etc etc.... Not only mods were working hard here.

    Actually it's a first friday since Schiller's submission I don't have few "no reason" N-Votes. So I'm more happy about v4.

    That's all ... I don't need any further answers on this one. I'm not everyday guest on Help Forums which has turned into Lament Forums ... and why it's happen? Mostly because you have lost control ... not because you really care about quality... My advice is - just stop it and give v4 real chance! Good luck in new reality!
  • Anonymous over 9 years ago

    z-music
    First was rejected by mod only because he wanted to prove he is an God here ... He tried to train me like a puppy and did a lot to make me banned only because I've proved he wasn't right...

    Besides liking V4, I think you have other issues as well....
  • z-music over 9 years ago

    noiseUPnorth
    Besides liking V4, I think you have other issues as well....


    Yeah I'm mental escaped patient ... Sorry I've said something ... I'm not allowed I shouldn't say more than "YES SIR" because "NO" isn't allowed here. and I should speak while I'm on my knees only with my head down. Grow up! going to bed. Have you a nice crying.
  • asylum27 over 9 years ago

    asylum27 edited over 9 years ago
    z-music
    That's all ... I don't need any further answers on this one. I'm not everyday guest on Help Forums which has turned into Lament Forums ... and why it's happen? Mostly because you have lost control ... not because you really care about quality... My advice is - just stop it and give v4 real chance! Good luck in new reality!


    Really that's it? That's your response. You post a bunch of accusations against a bunch of people who have worked extraordinarily hard over the years to maintain the integrity of the database. Unable to back any of them you toss in a few more unsupportable accusations. If that is the way you react in a discussion forum, its no wonder that others had a problem with you.

    Once again, there is a procedure to deal with this (or there was) called an SCR...if you didn't file one then you really should not be complaining.

    But you are right about one thing, it is about the loss of control...but not about the mods losing control, but rather the tossing away of any control over the integrity of the database and that effects everyone.

    As noiseUPnorth rather correctly says:
    Besides liking V4, I think you have other issues as well.
  • fleshmeatdoll over 9 years ago

    fleshmeatdoll edited over 9 years ago
    z-music
    Yeah I'm mental escaped patient ... Sorry I've said something ... I'm not allowed I shouldn't say more than "YES SIR" because "NO" isn't allowed here. and I should speak while I'm on my knees only with my head down. Grow up! going to bed. Have you a nice crying.


    i am sure you are easy to deal with having to have the last word on everything and everyone.
    what did you achive? you turned this "roll of honour" thread into something completely off topic. instead of putting yourself at the center of attention show some respect to the moderators honored here and go away. create your own "i love v4" thread.
  • quisquilia over 9 years ago

    Guys - can you please ignore the troll?

    This thread is about moderators / users who were b e t r a y e d by the Discogs management in a most shameful manner.
  • z-music over 9 years ago

    vice versa quisquilia! U must be really good one ... I'm happy not every mod/user share your feelings. Just a few people and u if someone betrayed Discogs it's you with your childish topic, not management. I don't believe management want any thing wrong for this comunity. But I'm gonna repeat I'm happy the situation I was writting above not gonna happen! and one more thing... This is HELP FORUM and this topic doesn't help. Wanted to read about new rules etc. that's why went here and instead of help I saw this nonsense. And u all wrote about hard work... I don't say everyone did that but most of u were just points hunters and if someone lost motivation - it were regular users, having 6 months unmoderated subs, because mods were busy with subs from other mods, accepting each others subs and hunting for the points.

    Strange I have never seen you all working (moderating) any of my subs - the people who were really working before they will do further because if they were here for the idea they will stay, but if someone wanted having control over the other people he just lost it and he is upset...

    It's a nonsense... I supposed to learn about new v4, I'm writing here, and because I wrote something different I'm a troll. Wonderful comunity people. Someone gets kicked only because different opinion....
  • shadowslip over 9 years ago

    someone said on these forums "divide and conquer"

    hmmm, I guess they have a point
  • Scoz over 9 years ago

    here's a clue to why this thread is in this forum:

    "Discogs General - Questions and comments about Discogs."
  • Jayfive over 9 years ago

    Jayfive edited over 9 years ago
    Your record as a trouble-maker precedes you.

    z-music
    I don't say everyone did that but most of u were just points hunters and if someone lost motivation - it were regular users, having 6 months unmoderated subs,


    And final proof if proof were needed that you either havent the slightest idea what you're blathering on about or here to deliberately cause ructions.

    Most people here were not 'points hunters' at all - simply because since v3 points didnt MEAN anything.

    And since v3 regular users didnt NEED to worry about submission waiting times.

    Since your Mr Chatty, answer this for me - what, under discogs v3, could you not do while your submission was pending? You could add it to your collection, wantslist, sales, rate it, edit it etc etc. What is it you couldnt do that your so glad to have v4? (though its very obvious you're not and really just a troublemaker)

    z-music
    because mods were busy with subs from other mods, accepting each others subs and hunting for the points.


    Clueless...utterly and totally clueless. NOTHING of the sort occured. Mods did vote on other mods submission yes, but not as a conscious effort to the detriment of other users. The very idea that mods even cared so much about rankpoints that they would engage in mutual back-scratching simply so they can have a bigger number on their profile is laughable.

    Same old conspiracy theories from people who know NOTHING. Go back to what you're good at - insulting people in polish in submission comments. Its a damn shame that perfectly good mods and long-term users leave and people like you stay.
  • z-music over 9 years ago

    Jayfive - Give me one example I've insulted someone .... it was never happen sorry boy.
  • Jayfive over 9 years ago

    Dont call me boy you cheeky sod. Answer my question.

    In answer to yours, your on-going row with korba - no, you didnt start it, but you carried it on. No, I dont want to hear your side of it, its not relevant to this discussion - my question is, answer it.
  • shadowslip over 9 years ago

    This is how online communities are torn apart.

    You boys need to play nice or you'll be sat on the naughty step.

    :)
  • tony.lee over 9 years ago

    Hi,time to intervine.
    I am opening another forum for this to be taken to.
    This is the wrong place so I ask that you please use the other.This will be open in a few minutes.
    I would really appreciate your cooperation, thankyou Tony.
  • z-music over 9 years ago

    shadowslip
    This is how online communities are torn apart.

    You boys need to play nice or you'll be sat on the naughty step.

    :)


    I swear I had nothing bad in mind. I've said "Don't waste your work you all did here" above someone asked me if I see any plus of v4 I've answered. So from this moment it started. I apologize I don't share an opinion how everything is wrong.

    Jayfive
    In answer to yours, your on-going row with korba - no, you didnt start it, but you carried it on


    So show me any single word I wrote to him can be taken as an insult ... By the way Vice Versa:-)

    I give up and taking all back... stay here and complain (which give nothing exept more anger and dissapointment). The way you do in here (closing the accounts, complaining, insulting) is not an answer. That's what I ment nothing else. Sorry for that.
  • blach over 9 years ago

  • shadowslip over 9 years ago

    that sucks man
  • Boytronik over 9 years ago

    Iron_Fist
    I'm seriously thinking of comitting oggercide, but I don't think I have the courage yet. I've invested so much time and work in this site, surely not as much as many of you, and now that V4 is live, I can only feel that it's all been wasted.


    Same here....all down the drain :-(
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    nik over 9 years ago

    Ok, sorry but I am going to lock this topic, the help section is no place for flamewars. I am sad some users have left, and I am very sorry that some users had to be removed.

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