• VegasDJ1 over 3 years ago

    Do any of you out there in the Discogs community use a USB turntable with audio software that’s not Audacity?
    If you want the reason for my request, here’s the situation:
    About nine years ago, I got a Crosley CR249 USB turntable and it came with a copy of Audacity to record records. When I used Audacity with the turntable connected to the computer, the turntable showed up as a “USB device” and I set the input volume to about 8.5 or 9 so that the signal would occasionally peak almost in the red. It worked great! I used the Crosley sporadically over the years, only recording about a dozen albums, with the last one being about a year ago.
    A couple of months ago when my best friend and former DJ partner passed away, his wife asked me to come to Northern California and take all of his records, which I’m selling on Discogs to try to contribute to his four kids’ college funds. He also had an ion iTTUSB USB turntable and a couple of Technics SL1200s that I brought home. I set up the ion next to my computer in my office to record some of his vinyl and to upload samples to Discogs, and the Crosley in my living room with all of the records (because it has internal speakers) to listen to and grade the condition of each record.
    The ion turntable didn’t show up in Audacity, so I had to select a microphone as the device and set the input volume to 0.01 or it would feed back and be completely off the meter. I swapped out the turnable and connected only the Crosley to the PC, only to get the exact same problems.
    Even with the input level set to 0.01, the signal is still mostly in the red and is clipping. If I lower it to 0.00, obviously I get nothing. Something has somehow changed how Audacity functions on my computer. It may be my daughter’s webcam software for her home school, or a game, or something else, but I’m not going to delete programs just to explore the possibility that another app is causing the issue.
    I have checked the Web sites for ion and Audacity, and of course, they are low-budget products, so the only “help” they give are user forums, and none of the users have an answer to the problem. I have tried to delete and re-install the Audacity software, and I am using the latest version (which I actually think is the problem, but I can’t find an earlier version).
    I would like to try different software (preferably not freeware), and I am willing to purchase a new turntable that uses different software if necessary.
    Thanks for your time and help.
  • djcarbines over 3 years ago

    Have you tried the main PC mixer to lower the input level to audacity?
    Also could change the input setting or try a different port.

    Would you to process (remove clicks and generally clean up the audio) or simply capturing the raw rip!
  • F104G over 3 years ago

    https://www.goldwave.com/
    Much better than Audacity
  • InDustWeTrust over 3 years ago

    When running a USB line into Audacity, just make sure you disable your computer's onboard microphone, cuz it may be enabled (and active) by default. If it's active, it'll be picking up whatever sound your speakers are putting out and feeding it back into Audacity along with the original USB input signal.
  • kryten2001 over 3 years ago

    I use and like Adobe Audition.
  • dolphyfan over 3 years ago

    F104G
    Much better than Audacity


    What about goldwave do you like that makes it superior?
  • VegasDJ1 over 3 years ago

    djcarbines
    Have you tried the main PC mixer to lower the input level to audacity?
    Also could change the input setting or try a different port.

    Yes, I did try the PC’s mixer, but the only input level for which it has a slider is the “PC mic” that plugs into the pink mini stereo jack, and not the USB port.
    Yes, I tried the two USB ports on the front of my PC and one on the back.
    When you say “change the input setting” do you mean the input device in Audacity? If so, it only has three USB input devices, and I have it set to the only one that works.

    djcarbines
    Would you to process (remove clicks and generally clean up the audio) or simply capturing the raw rip!


    I haven’t tried the click-removal tool in Audacity, but I’m usually not impressed by those sorts of things. They never seem to work well, like the ones that try to remove vocals. They don’t work completely, and leave the resulting output sounding funny. If a record has pops and noise, I’ll just not record it for myself. If it’s for one I’m going to sell, I’ll definitely leave the pops in it, because the buyer will hear it when he or she plays the record anyway, and I don’t want to refund money and get a record back that I still have to sell, plus have a dissatisfied customer. I can’t help send my nieces and nephews to college like that. Besides, it’s deceptive and dishonest. I want the buyer to know exactly what they’re getting. I already have a record that I didn’t notice something on that I’m refunding this week, plus I’m reimbursing the buyer his expense for mailing it back to me, so I’m losing double the shipping cost!
  • VegasDJ1 over 3 years ago

    F104G
    https://www.goldwave.com/
    Much better than Audacity

    THANK YOU!! I’ll try it. Do I have to buy another turntable, or does it work with all of them?
  • VegasDJ1 over 3 years ago

    InDustWeTrust
    When running a USB line into Audacity, just make sure you disable your computer's onboard microphone, cuz it may be enabled (and active) by default. If it's active, it'll be picking up whatever sound your speakers are putting out and feeding it back into Audacity along with the original USB input signal.

    Thanks for the tip. My desktop PC doesn’t have a built in mic, and I unplugged my daughter’s webcam the first time I used the ion turntable.
    I was DJing a high school dance about 32 or 33 years ago, and I had just that week bought a headphone/mic combination, which not many DJs in my area of L.A. were using yet, so I felt pretty cool. I was about 17 and had only been a DJ for a couple of years. I was wearing the thing, and I turned around to have my roadie, who was 10 or 12 feet behind me, get something for me. I had to make sure he heard me over the bass of the hip hop song I playing, and the distance, so I yelled, “HEY!!” almost as loud as I could, and instantly realized, along with the 400-plus kids in that gym that all turned to look at me, that I forgot to turn off the mic switch... I felt all of the blood in my body RUSH into my face. I think I recovered well, because I said, “Are you feeling good out there?!” LOL
    They were annoyed that I cut in during the vocals, but they shouted back, and everyting was good in the world. So I learned in 1985 to always make sure that mic is off before doing ANYTHING! LMBO
    That’s excellent advice that all rookies need to be taught, though! ;-)
    Thanks again.
  • VegasDJ1 over 3 years ago

    kryten2001
    I use and like Adobe Audition.

    THANKS!! I’ll check that out, too!
  • djcarbines over 3 years ago

    VegasDJ1
    When you say “change the input setting” do you mean the input device in Audacity?

    Yes, that's one that I meant, but you've also tried something along those lines I didn't think of - the PC Output!
    There is only one that works with mine too, but you can use it as a Mic on or a USB in depending on your hardware.

    VegasDJ1
    I haven’t tried the click-removal tool in Audacity


    It's not great but does the job if you know what you're doing but it will 'sound funny' if you try to fix too extreme like anything graded below VG, or have to do it multiple times and add a filter if you don't want to hear algorithm.
    Why I asked, is Audacity is fine for capture (as I have a few hundred recordings in it), but there are almost certainly better programmes for sound cleanup which I haven't used.
  • rikroc over 3 years ago

    I have my stereo connected to my iMac and use VinylStudio to record 96/24 files of my vinyl, reels and cassettes. Will also convert files to mp3 or burn to cd.
    Works well: http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk
  • ashleymarkpomeroy over 3 years ago

    ashleymarkpomeroy edited over 3 years ago
    I have a soft spot for an ancient audio editor called Cool Edit Pro. It's a Windows 95-era application but apart from the help files it still works with Windows 10 - for its age it's surprisingly clever. It has a similar noise reduction feature, a "brainwave synchroniser" that apparently turns white noise into alpha waves (or something) and it's lightning fast.

    It eventually mutated into Adobe Audition:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Audition
  • VegasDJ1 over 3 years ago

    djcarbines
    VegasDJ1When you say “change the input setting” do you mean the input device in Audacity?
    Yes, that's one that I meant, but you've also tried something along those lines I didn't think of - the PC Output!
    There is only one that works with mine too, but you can use it as a Mic on or a USB in depending on your hardware.

    VegasDJ1I haven’t tried the click-removal tool in Audacity

    It's not great but does the job if you know what you're doing but it will 'sound funny' if you try to fix too extreme like anything graded below VG, or have to do it multiple times and add a filter if you don't want to hear algorithm.
    Why I asked, is Audacity is fine for capture (as I have a few hundred recordings in it), but there are almost certainly better programmes for sound cleanup which I haven't used.

    Are there any specific one(s) that you recommend? Maybe I can take another listen to some that I didn’t want to digitize for myself because of a few clicks or pops.
  • VegasDJ1 over 3 years ago

    ashleymarkpomeroy
    I have a soft spot for an ancient audio editor called Cool Edit Pro. It's a Windows 95-era application but apart from the help files it still works with Windows 10 - for its age it's surprisingly clever. It has a similar noise reduction feature, a "brainwave synchroniser" that apparently turns white noise into alpha waves (or something) and it's lightning fast.

    It eventually mutated into Adobe Audition:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Audition

    Right on! I’m still running Windows 7 Pro on my PC, but I have an older one that still has XP (on account of I haven’t seen a photo editor that I like more than Corel Draw7, at least not one I can afford), so I’ll try it on both. Thanks!
  • djcarbines over 3 years ago

    VegasDJ1
    Are there any specific one(s) that you recommend? Maybe I can take another listen to some that I didn’t want to digitize for myself because of a few clicks or pops.


    I saw one the other day that you can monitor in real time. Apparently the only one you can. I saw a video of it editing a 78 and though not quite edited to CD cleanliness, it brought a scratchy 78 to VG+ vinyl standard.
    Imagine what it could do with a VG or better vinyl source!

    But I can't remember the name of it. It does end RT for real time though, if anyone else knows it?

    That said, if your are patient and gain the skill, Audacity CAN do a decent job. So much I had customers impressed with my digitising VG records of theirs to CD. Not only the reproduction but the space I managed to create in the sound - not too much compression if any!
  • Nolan.E over 3 years ago

    I’m having problems with Audacity skipping during recording. I have no other programs running and have plenty of hard drive space. I’ve toyed with the settings but can’t get it to record smoothly. Are there any bare bones programs just to record audio and then I can edit the file in Audacity?
  • dubfunkoustic over 3 years ago

    That's going to depend on what operating system you want to use.
  • Nolan.E over 3 years ago

    Windows 7

    I have to use 10 words in the forum, too?
  • dubfunkoustic over 3 years ago

    I don't use Windows so I can't be of much help. Have you tried going into the task manager and giving Audacity a higher priority when it's recording?
  • VegasDJ1 over 3 years ago

    Nolan.E
    I’m having problems with Audacity skipping during recording. I have no other programs running and have plenty of hard drive space. I’ve toyed with the settings but can’t get it to record smoothly. Are there any bare bones programs just to record audio and then I can edit the file in Audacity?


    Thanks to a recommendation on this thread, I now use GoldWave, and it's very good. It is also an editor, so you don't need to use Audacity at all, but if you feel strongly about editing woith Audacity, you can just use Audacity to open the file that you recorded with GoldWave and edit it with Audacity.
  • Nolan.E over 3 years ago

    dubfunkoustic
    I don't use Windows so I can't be of much help. Have you tried going into the task manager and giving Audacity a higher priority when it's recording?
    Spent the last several hours cleaning up the HD and defragging. Killed anti-virus software and WiFi and increased priority to Audacity. Also minimized the window while recording.

    Worked on this side looks like, I feel like it’s a fragile situation though! Lol
  • Nolan.E over 3 years ago

    VegasDJ1
    Nolan.EI’m having problems with Audacity skipping during recording. I have no other programs running and have plenty of hard drive space. I’ve toyed with the settings but can’t get it to record smoothly. Are there any bare bones programs just to record audio and then I can edit the file in Audacity?

    Thanks to a recommendation on this thread, I now use GoldWave, and it's very good. It is also an editor, so you don't need to use Audacity at all, but if you feel strongly about editing woith Audacity, you can just use Audacity to open the file that you recorded with GoldWave and edit it with Audacity.

    I’m cheap and hoping for freeware, but I feel like all the extras with these programs have to add some bloat to the CPU. I’d love to find something that ONLY records. I was unsuccessful connecting my audio device to my newer iPad.
  • bluebelle over 3 years ago

    I used Audiograbber some years ago when I went through my vinyl collection (most of it's sold now) http://www.audiograbber.org/ Since my aiwa listening deck has a preamp i could plug this into my hifi unit, and aux out analog to mic in on my old mini itx pc. Multi channel soundcards are a lot cheaper now than 10 years ago, standard generic for under £5, hi def used for under £20
  • kurts.ear.candy over 3 years ago

    I use Sound Forge 8.0 for recording and two Magix products for editing and whatnot on a scratchbuilt XP computer that is used exclusively for audio. The nice thing about SF 8.0 is that I can monitor what I am recording without using headphones. But all this stuff is no longer available and you need XP to run it.

    I just went to look up some stuff on magix.com and saw that they now own all of Sony's audio and video programs. An interesting development. Not sure what to make of it.

    But here is an interesting product that they have for ripping and cleaning up noise and other stuff. It even includes a USB preamp which allows you to bypass your soundcard completely making for easier and better ripping. Can't speak about how much CPU resources it hogs but the older version that I use barely uses any.

    http://www.magix.com/us/audio-cleaning-lab/rescue-your-vinyl-tapes/
  • VegasDJ1 over 3 years ago

    I’m cheap and hoping for freeware, but I feel like all the extras with these programs have to add some bloat to the CPU. I’d love to find something that ONLY records. I was unsuccessful connecting my audio device to my newer iPad.

    GoldWave is free, but it has a version that you can pay for. I don’t know what the difference is between the two. I use the free version.
  • dscig over 2 years ago

    Hi
    The BEST software and adapter to get the record into your PC Is
    XITEL INPORT HOTWIRE
    RECORD ANY AUDIO
    (The one in an orange box only)
    the interface is packaged with BIAS SOUNDSAVER. The product is discontinued but the company still manages the liscences. That being said it only works with Windows XP, VISTA or 7. Maybe 10. There is also a MAC version but harder to find. This pops up on EBay all the time. Sad the company BIAS went under. This is an awesome program.
    Checkout the tutorial on YouTube
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C_R4rffxXCs

    Here is one selling now
    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F153197982640
  • VegasDJ1 over 2 years ago

    Thanks dscig. I started using GoldWave from the suggestions here and I'm pretty satisfied with it, but it has some drawbacks, so I'll check out your recommendation. I still use Windows 7 Professional, so that's no problem.
  • redstingray1977 over 2 years ago

    I've been using Vinyl Studio for a few years. It collects the meta data from discogs which is useful for auto-populating track listings and times. It wasn't expensive. You'll need to edit the slices in the tracks to but it's quickly done. Has a rumble and variable hiss filter to reduce noise (declicking is dealt with separately) Audacity seems laborious in comparison.
  • DJ.RiSE over 2 years ago

    Wavelab is a top product, but not free... https://www.steinberg.net/en/products/wavelab/start.html
  • VegasDJ1 over 2 years ago

    I’ll check out both of those also. Thanks!
  • Bonzo_Dog over 2 years ago

    Bonzo_Dog edited over 2 years ago
    I'm using Audacity to record my rips from vinyl and mc through an asynchronous USB ADC in 24/96 using Windows 10 Home on a laptop. The ADC is using WASAPI in exclusive mode to bypass Windows mixer in Audacity. I think Audacity is very well suited for this task in Windows after they fixed their 24-bit problem and got support for WASAPI some versions ago. Just download the most recent version 2.3.0 from Audacity. Check their help section how to get the right settings.

    For audio repair/editing I'm using iZotope RX6 Standard on my main computer - used RX5 earlier and are upgrading to RX7 any day. This is very well suited for this, I think. I could have been recording with RX6, but my main computer is not near my turntable.
  • VegasDJ1 over 2 years ago

    Thanks Bonzo_Dog. I downloaded the latest Audacity before I posted my question, but I don’t know what version that was. I’m still using Windows 7 Professional right now, and I’m only recording for archival purposes. Your setup is a lot more complicated than what I’m doing. I just wanted to record a few dozen to less than a hundred songs from vinyl to my PC to listen to personally.
  • wmmiiix over 2 years ago

    I'm sure by now you found something suitable, but I figure I'll give some rep to Reaper! It's a fantastic DAW that I've used for podcasts, playlists and recording music. Essentially free (never ending evaluation with no limits) but only $60 to actually support.
  • George_Slv over 2 years ago

    George_Slv edited over 2 years ago
    In my W8 I've been paying attention to the audio boost in the microphone setting. It should start at zero. That's in the system audio settings box that comes up. In my notebook I'm always inputting vinyl thru mic. The recording software is irrelevent.
    Total Recorder is really useful and has a bunch of input options. For a price you can get Noise Reduction, which they license from someone. I wonder if it's Cedar. It also edits mp3 without recoding.
    Goldwave is my best declicker. Very powerful noise reduction, don't overdo it.
    Now I'm wondering if your turntable connects with USB, that means the turntable digitizes the music itself, and it would not be more than 16-bit, right?
  • VegasDJ1 over 2 years ago

    wmmiiix
    I'm sure by now you found something suitable, but I figure I'll give some rep to Reaper! It's a fantastic DAW that I've used for podcasts, playlists and recording music. Essentially free (never ending evaluation with no limits) but only $60 to actually support.


    Thanks for reppin' a program that you like. That's important. I'll check it out, actually. Goldwave has been pretty good, but there are some things about it that I think could have been done better, so as I said, I'll check out Reaper.

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