• stenil over 2 years ago

    For https://www.discogs.com/Bruce-Springsteen-The-Rising/release/434877, I added the 2nd variant 4 years ago. Now I realized it belongs to a new sub https://www.discogs.com/release/12856138. When I remove the 2nd variant should I leave that variant number open for the next variant to come (my preferred way) or renumber all variants by one step (would confuse everyone and lose all backtracking)? Just checking if someone has any other opinion first.
  • Warepire over 2 years ago

    Leave the numbering as is, users may be using the Notes feature in their collection to keep track of which variant they own, so re-numbering them is going to cause people a lot of headache.

    In other words: Leave gaps in the numbering.
  • LolH over 2 years ago

    Warepire
    In other words: Leave gaps in the numbering.

    This is the concensus, unfortunately.
    I hate it as I feel it creates more confusion than it clears up, but thet's the concensus.
  • Warepire over 2 years ago

    I wish there was a better system too, but as someone with at least 350 variants in his collection in his collection notes, sometimes several variants for the same album... If a variant gets re-sorted, I have to go change information in my collection, and hope that it wasn't an album with several variants.
  • Silvermo over 2 years ago

    Warepire
    Leave the numbering as is, users may be using the Notes feature in their collection to keep track of which variant they own, so re-numbering them is going to cause people a lot of headache.

    In other words: Leave gaps in the numbering.


    This.
  • leeving over 2 years ago

    Can anyone point me to the thread that this consensus was made?

    Searching didn't help, but I know I read it somewhere.

    Need some more links to assist with someone wanting to change the numbers after I removed Variant #2 of 3

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  • misterbluesky over 2 years ago

    leeving
    Can anyone point me to the thread that this consensus was made?

    Searching didn't help, but I know I read it somewhere.

    Need some more links to assist with someone wanting to change the numbers after I removed Variant #2 of 3


    Leeving - I have asked John to make amends to his entry for variant 3 - he can do this as its his entry

    All I am trying to do is the same as you - clean up the sub

    thanks
  • Diognes_The_Fox over 2 years ago

    Warepire
    In other words: Leave gaps in the numbering.


    Yeah. Future entries can fill in those gaps, but just like artist/label numbering, leave the rest be.
  • leeving over 2 years ago

    misterbluesky
    I have asked John to make amends to his entry for variant 3 - he can do this as its his entry

    All I am trying to do is the same as you - clean up the sub


    The sub is now fine...we don't renumber existing variants.
  • take22 over 2 years ago

    Diognes_The_Fox
    Future entries can fill in those gaps


    so if I come across one where a variant was removed and I have another variant that is correct for that release, I can fill the slot of the removed one, eg for the example given here 2 is missing, I add mine in the 2 slot?

    Btw, for Bruce Springsteen - The Rising, shouldn't Matrix / Runout (Variant 3, 11): Sony Music S5080002000-0101 64 C01 be split into
    Matrix / Runout (Variant 3): Sony Music S5080002000-0101 64 C01
    Matrix / Runout (Variant 11): Sony Music S5080002000-0101 64 C01
    ? Should not group those 2 in 1 line imo
  • LolH over 2 years ago

    take22
    I can fill the slot of the removed one, eg for the example given here 2 is missing, I add mine in the 2 slot?

    Yep, that's it.
    take22
    ? Should not group those 2 in 1 line imo

    Indeed. Recent discussions in the Forums have concluded that we should enter full sets of BaOI data, with individual 'groups' for each 'set'. (Matrix / Master SID / Mould SID (where applicable))
  • misterbluesky over 2 years ago

    misterbluesky edited over 2 years ago
    This thread only recommends "dont change a variant number" the main reason being that the "owner" of the variant may "possibly" be keeping that entry for their collection and searching purposes.

    So the owner of the variant cannot change the "variant number" of the entry?
  • misterbluesky over 2 years ago

    Guys - there is conflicting data through out the forum

    I know the question here is on variant numbers but the following contradicts the above. I have previously asked for runouts to remain as they were, only to be informed that they should be updated.

    Runouts are changed if data is seen to be incomplete by a different user .i.e missing additional lettering beyond the A1 of a runout - xxxxxx A1 example xxxxxx A1 AB

    This conflicts with the above that the "owner" of the variant may "possibly" be keeping that entry for their collection and searching purposes.
    https://www.discogs.com/forum/thread/780028
  • mjb over 2 years ago

    misterbluesky
    This conflicts with the above

    I understand, but it is a minor conflict. If there is reasonable doubt that a variant is correct or complete, it can be fixed or made more complete as anyone sees fit, as long as it is not renumbered. The pros & cons of having vague/incomplete data and whether we really need to respect people's preferences for such data is a separate topic, e.g. in the thread about minimal submissions - https://www.discogs.com/forum/thread/783322

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