• jeromy over 10 years ago

    Hi,

    Has anyone here had any dealings with the Ortofon Broadcast E carts??

    would they sound mice throught a stereo system??

    would they be hard on your records...ie record wear??

    would they be okay for light mixing???

    here are the specs...i have no idea what half of them mean tho...
  • jeromy over 10 years ago

  • 909_bd over 10 years ago

    consider using the forum search
  • 909_bd over 10 years ago

    and use Shure M44-7, not Ortofon Concorde if you want to hear whats on your records
  • jeromy over 10 years ago

    Whats wrong with the ortofons??...theyre not concordes...theyre om's.
  • w4lt over 10 years ago

    the shure m44-7s are pretty loud things. i've been using a nice pair of nightclub s carts for a while now and i'm starting to sway back to the shures.

    only great thing about concordes is that you don't need to faff about and adjust them [and they look cool].

    i suggest anything with an E in the model you use for audiophile stuff (or at least that's what i remember). spherical needles are generally better for mixing as you don't get as much wear...
  • 909_bd over 10 years ago

    Ortofon OM and Concorde are based on the same technology. They all sound inferior to the Shure. Calling them 10 different names (even BROADCAST =LOL !!!) is a marketing trick. They are by no means "audiophile". It has been discussed a hundred times. Please do a forum search.
  • djfrankiebones over 10 years ago

    I have to agree on this. The Shure M44-7 is standard perfection amongst most DJ's.

    I swear I am not making jokes but I have owned every ortofon at some point...Black, Silver, Blue, White, Pink, Gold...om's, concordes...

    To this day my ear tells me they are the same exact cartridge no matter what the color....
  • jeromy over 10 years ago

    So how did you find the Ortofon's Frankie??...quality??
  • djfrankiebones over 10 years ago

    My first choice will always be the SHURE M44. I have a SHURE V15Vx Broadcast Cartridge that someone gave me that costs $300 and by clipping off the plastic ends of a 44-7 tip, fits the V15Vx perfectly....

    As for the Ortofon's? Well I have two black Concordes on my Technics right now. Since many of my friends play records at my house the SHURE'S are too easy to break, whereas the ortofon's are less likely to get damaged.

    I like Ortofons when you get the ones that fit on Technics Headshells......The OM club series...
  • andre-djbio over 10 years ago

    will consider the shures in the future ,
    any difference in M44 and M44-7 ???
  • little_alien over 10 years ago

    The Broadcast E has been discussed on another forum I'm on (audiofreaks.nl) and it's a great match for a Technics s-arm. The Technics arm is a bit tricky for audiophile styli as it's rather mid-to high mass and most "audiophile" moving magnet styli are high compliant, resulting in a very low resonance frequency, which is considered to be one of the causes of tracking problems.

    For just playback, don't use a spherical stylus. An eliptical stylus gets so much more detail out of a record groove and causes a record to wear more evenly than a spherical stylus.

    The only thing that makes me want to consider another cartridge is the recommended stylus pressure of 3 grams, which is more DJ-like than audiophile styli. High compliant audiophile moving magnet cartridges usually require only around 1,5 grams of stylus pressure. I wouldn't take the broadcast concorde because of the the often discussed problems of the concorde design. Ortofon also has the Broadcast E as a regular cartridge. As a regular cartridge you also get more flexibility aligning it to minimize tracking angle errors because of the arc the arm makes. See: http://www.vinylengine.com/manuals_tonearm_protractors.shtml

    I'm currently using a Ortofon Super OM 10 cartridge on my Technics SL-1200 for playback only and the sound is amazing (great detail, wide stereo), but probably due to the far from ideal match of the cartridge compliance with the Technics arm, it has tracking problems in the inner grooves of quite a lot of my LP's :( See: http://www.cartridgedb.com/compliance_table2.asp for info on arm-cartridge matching.
  • jussumen over 10 years ago

    jussumen edited over 10 years ago
    The Broadcast E sound incredibly pure, The most HiFi feeling you can get. They are the best cartridges Ortofon has to offer.

    i don't understand how someone claims not to hear the difference between a Standard Ortophone DJ Cartridge and a Broadcast E or the next best, used by 2/3rd of all Hi Class DeeJays the Ortophone Nighclub Series.These come close in soundquality, but are made for harder use.
    But the cheap Ortophone DJ styli sound SHIT , everybody will hear that !!!
    The Broadcast E are HiFi Lstening or Boradcasting only, Elliptical shape, which is superior in sound quality and causes less record wear.
    I just put a Broadcast E needle into an average Ortophone OM cartridge , that was on the tonearm my old DUAL CS 701 Direct Drive Turntable. Wonder how long the E is in there and soundoing great ?
    Since 1998 and still running ...

    I don't hear any difference between a STANTON HP 680 and a STANTON Scratchmaster RS. I use those with my Technics. The HOP680 for HipHop and Reggae / Rock and the Roger Sanchez Scratchmasters for electronic music.
    But basicall both sound sounding pretty much exactly the same.
  • djfrankiebones over 10 years ago

    @jussumen - if the somebody you mention happens to be me, I can tell you why I did'nt hear the difference...THIS is the only cartridge of the ortofon's that I have never owned or used before...

    I'm really curious about this. If you are telling me there is a major difference in sound I guess I will have to buy a pair...

    But between the White 'elektro', Silver, Black and Nightclub (glowing green), these all sound identical.....
  • djfrankiebones over 10 years ago

    MODIFIED

    44-7 TIP

    By 'snipping' the little plastic 'indents' off of the 44-7 tip, the needle fit the VX15 perfect and by far is the best sound I have ever got out of a cartridge....

    Call me crazy, but an experiment that costs $350 USD paid off, big time

  • jussumen over 10 years ago

    jussumen edited over 10 years ago
    No Frankie it wasn't you that this thread of mine was aimed at.
    i listened only once to a set of Technics with blue Ortofon DJ's and the sound was brutal.
    Maybe it had to do with the mixer.
    Maybe the difference ain't that big on higher quality mixers ?
    The amount of experience and craftmanship should result in a better sound. Most DeeJays use the Nightcub cartridges in germany. i see that at Clubnight TV and in countless clubs. You can read it in many magazines etc. And Fact ios the Sound Is Briliant crystal cler HiHats, a thumping, fine accented bass, good stereo picture = Just Right !!! Somehow these seem to have the Optimal Sound for Techno and House. Only cause i listen to quite a lot of Black music besides Techno / House i use Stanton and not Ortophone. You can't beat Stanton for playing with a ton of dust underneath it's stylus.. The Ortophone would slip over the record already when the Stanton still sounds great... Must have to do with the Construction.
    Ortophone seemed "fake" to me for many many years but i forgot why..
    I know for sure that the Broadcast E stylus sounds a lot better than the one i had in there 20 years ago :-)...
    i doubt that the Systems have such a huge difference in quality. it's the way the Styli are made from experts with maximum precision that make the difference.
  • djfrankiebones over 10 years ago

    I actually bought the SHURE VX15 Broadcast cart for $319 and owned it for about 2 hours before I spun the record backwards to cue a part I wanted to sample and the stylus snapped off and landed someplace in the carpet, never to be seen again.

    The replacement tip was $189. Force of habit made me stick the 44-7 tip in there because I was pissed off that I broke it.

    And when I listened to the same exact stylus on the V15 vs. the original M-44, there was a really big difference. The V15 was crystal clear.
  • little_alien over 10 years ago

    I just put a Broadcast E needle into an average Ortophone OM cartridge , that was on the tonearm my old DUAL CS 701 Direct Drive Turntable. Wonder how long the E is in there and soundoing great ?
    Since 1998 and still running ...


    Interesting. I guess I could also do that with my Super OM 10 :) Do they fit nicely or is it a forced fit?
  • djfrankiebones over 10 years ago

    All ortofons fit no matter what the color combination is. My actual first floor system is using all black ortofon concordes.
    They actually are holding up pretty well....
  • jussumen over 10 years ago

    djfrankiebones is right
    Now i checked the link in your post frankie.
    This is exactly how my Ortofone system looks like.

    The blue DJ is the cheapest Ortofone has to offer and really sounds shitty. 22 € vs 55€ to 88 € for the other Ortophones.
    Maybe these sound samey pretty much.
    The Broadcast has a slightly different sound. Just try it out ..

    I know how great the SHURE V 15 Type III sounded.
    This was the original system that came along with my DUAL CS 701 in 1975.
    I lend my turntable to a friend i owed some monay, while i was in Jamaica in 1981 and this genious had nothing better to do than get a "better" new system for it. (Instead of just buying a new Stylus)
    So when i returned there was an Ortofone Om in my DUAL. When i asked him where he left the V15 he said, i left that old system with the seller in the shop.... CAN U BELIEVE THAT ?????
    Sometimes there are SHURE V15's on sale at eBay.
    Till today NO other system came close to the brilliant Sound and esp. the Bass which was actually crawling over the carpet (my first impression when i listened to that "new" Turntable).

    The Shure Styli fit, but not as smoothly as the Ortofone's do with each other.
  • djfrankiebones over 10 years ago

    I got pretty good with all types of cartridges because we had 8 decks that needed to function everyday at Sonic Groove between 1990-2004.

    I am actually going to buy the pink Broadcast styli from ortofon. I am thinking that I will notice the difference from what you have been telling me.
  • jeromy over 10 years ago

    When u buy them, give us a review would you frankie...!
  • djfrankiebones over 10 years ago

    For the meantime...

    this is ridiculous.
  • djfrankiebones over 10 years ago

    @jussumen & jeromy

    THIS is where things get a little tricky.....

    Welcome to America.


    It would appear that ortofon has a few more then I expected, yet no 'broadcast e'?
  • djfrankiebones over 10 years ago

  • djfrankiebones over 10 years ago

    We are all going to have superior knowledge on ortofon, by the time this topic is finished...

    Broadcast E's while ortofon's best are not readily available in America.

    "vinyl fans should also note that the company has a cost effective range of accessories such as protractors and test records etc. that they have omitted from their homepage and furthermore a number of their models are missing from the same page, additionally some of the kits (ie. pickups packed with different types of stylii etc.) are only available in some countries, in some cases the kit may be a local packaging concept and thus only avalable in that country."

    Yet I have found that they make 11 different type of black tips that you can find in America.

    ortofon is a weird company?
  • djfrankiebones over 10 years ago

    The company's OM range of low cost MM cartridges has a reputation similar to those of Sennheiser Headphones in that there is simply not a bad cartridge in the line-up, while there are cartridges from other makers that often are as good or better in any sense, you simply cannot go wrong with a OM cart at any given price point. The range starts with the budget OM 3E which is a very cheap pickup only really sold in the most cost concious of countries such as the UK but has a elliptical stylus probably the cheapest model on the market with such, but even if you are looking for a budget model we would recommend the OM 5E it's only slightly more expensive and available in a P-mount version as the OMP 5E, the replacement stylus for this unit is somewhat cheaper than the one for the OM 10 series so those of you with a flock of kids may want to have something like this in preference to something more expensive (although you can also use the 5E stylus with the rest of the OM series), note that there are also OEM variants of this design namely the OMB 5E and the P-mount OMT 5E (see below for diff. between OEM and full price variants). Next up is the OMB 10 which is an OEM variant of the OM 10 Super, this is a damn good budget pickup, the difference between the 2 lies not in design but in manufacturing tolerances so that the Super version has the same mechanical specifications as the OMB version but the former has better electrical specs but basically the same sound, the OMB also is shipped in a plain box without without any accessories etc. You can also get the OM 10 Super packaged with both a LP and a 78 rpm stylus as the OM 10/78 Super, with just a 78 rmp stylus as OM 78 Super, with a stylus for the playback of mono LP's as OM D25M and in a P-mount/T4P version as the OMP 10 Super and an OEM version of that model called OMT 10. Next up in the line is the OM 20 Super that is about twice the price of the 10 and has a naked elliptical stylus (available in a P-mount as TM 20U) and the OM 30 Super (P-mount as OMP 30) which is about twice that again, these are mid range carts that compete with lower priced MC's, noticeable improvements over the budget MM's lie in their bass response and better tracking due to the improved stylus profiles.

    The other MM line from the company is the 500 series that starts with the 510 MkII that's slightly more expensive than the OM10 but sounds quite similar, the more upmarket 520 MkII and 530 MkII are similarly priced as the OM20 and 30 and I am not sure about the diffrences, the 540 MkII however is the top of the line MM from the company as far as I can tell.

    Much of the same can be said about the company's range of DJ pickups as can be said about the OM, they are built upon similar technology after all, NB the Concorde models feature an integral headshell with an SME type connector. The basic model from the company is the silver coloured OM PRO also available in black as the OM PRO S, or the slightly more expensive Concorde PRO version that features an integral headshell, that model has become pretty much the standard in disco's and you can get it in black as the Concorde PRO S and with a stylus cut for use with 78rpm records as the PRO/78. For scratch fans you can get the new(ish) Concorde Scratch especially built for that purpose, a headshell less version of that cart called OM PRO Scratch or the Concorde DJ S that has a spherical stylus that allows you to move the record both forwards and backwards, that cart is also available as the Concorde DJ E that has a better sounding elliptical stylus but will not work with scratching and headshell less versions are the OM DJ S and OM DJ E. Ditto for the Nightclub model, it has an improved bass response vesus the DJ model and is available as the Concorde Nightclub S or OM Nightclub S with a spherical stylus and as Concorde Nightclub E or OM Nightclub E with an elliptical. The top of the range model is the Concorde Broadcast E, it has an elliptical stylus and is aimed more at broadcast and music studios than nightclubs, the headshell less version is the OM Broadcast E of course, notable with those models is a good channel separation with difficult frequency ranges. There is also floating around a version of the Concorde called Gold Limited edition but I have not been able to track down any real info on them. All of the Ortofon DJ line with the exception of the Broadcast models can be had in kits with extra stylii and some of them in double packs

    The moving coil range from the company starts with the MC1 Turbo a fine budget high output MC that is noticeably also available in a P-mount/T4P version called X1 MCP and that is as far as I know the only MC made in that format. The other high output MC's from the company is MC3 Turbo and costs slightly less than 2x the MC1. The low output range starts with the MC Nr.2 a pickup that is a tremendous bang for the buck, great bass for this type of pickup/price point (but limited availability, Germany only ?), the classic line-up of Ortofon MC's includes the MC 10 Super also available in the MC 10 Super MkII and MC 10 Surpreme variants, Hi-Fi Choice has reviewed theMC 10 Surpreme BTW., the MC 15 Super MkII, the MC 20 Super MkII and the MC 20 Surpreme, the MC 25E that features an elliptical stylus but you can also get that pickup with a Fine Line line contact stylus as the MC 25 FL for about 20% more, the MC 30 Super MkII and the MC 30 Surpreme. As we go nearer the company's top of the range MC's things start to get interesting, the MC Rohmann was introduced in 97 or so in memory of the managing director of the company and named after him, while the audio specifications are very similar to the MC 30 Surpreme it has the OrtoLine stylus that is otherwise reserved for the top models, the model got rave reviews when it was introduced and you can read a review of the MC Rothman by the English Hi-Fi Choice rag, the MC 2000 MkII features a nude Geyger 80 stylus and has a body made out of ceramic to minimise resonance, the MC 3000 MkII shares the same body but has an Ortofon Replican 100 stylus and an improved audio specification, the MC 5000 shares the casing and stylus of the 3000 but has an improved specification including the very impressive 5Hz to 80KHz at -3db, the top of the line MC 7500 however has a casing milled out of a solid block of pure titanium and features the Ortoline stylus

    Ortofon introduced the Jubilee a few years back to celebrate it anniversary, unlike most of their MC product range that are refinements of classic pickups the Jubilee was a new design with higher outputs than the MC line and came in a sexy new case made out of aluminium and stainless steel and features a nude Shibata type stylus, it quickly gained a reputation for being something of a bargain amongst high end MC pickups and is in many markets the most expensive Ortofon pickup sold. The company introduced 2 cheaper variants based on the technology (and the casing) behind of the Jubilee in 2000, the kontrapunkt a and the kontrapunkt b were recieved with much critical acclaim and the b version won the 2002 Hi-Fi news award as the best analogue product. Note that neither of those has as good a specification as the Jubilee but sport a slightly higher output and that despite reports in quite a few rags are not the same pickup with different sylii, while the "a" variant has a Fine Line stylus and the "b" has a Gyger 80 and a Ruby cantilever there is also a difference in the audio specification and output that can only mean internal differences as well. Note also that while the b version is close to the price of the Rohmann the a version is actually cheaper than the MC30 so they are aimed at slightly different market sectors.

    The SPU and Mono line of MC pickups from the company has is roots in the cutterheads that the that the company manufactured in the 1940's and most models in the range have been manufactured continuously since the 60's, the line has an enormous cult following especially in Germany and Japan but note that some Ortofon distributors such as Henley Designs in the UK do not import the SPU range (booo). The cartridges are with the sole exception of the standard mount SPU Royal N integrated into a headshell with a Ortofon style connector (more commonly known as a SME connector) and it should be noted that these carts will only shine in a heavy arm such as the SME 3009, furthermore there are 2 types of headshells, the A type that is a square unit similar in size to the old mono units from the company and broadly the same as that of normal headshell, and a G type that has is slightly longer more angular body (this is the classic SPU shape) and while most arms seem to be able to work with a G type there is no guarantee and those intending to use those should take a look at Ortofon Tonearms. These tonearms are on the dearer side of the spectrum so you might want to investigate the second hand market if you want to experiment with those pickups. The range is used a lot by European state run radio stations which explains some of those specialised variants. The basic cartridge is the Classic SPU-A, also available with an elliptical stylus as the Classic SPU-A/E and in 2 mono versions, the SPU Mono A/65 intended for the playback of shellacs and the SPU Mono A for the playback of mono LP's. The GM is the classic of the range it has been in continuos production since 1960 and was one of the first stereo MC's in production, the main model is currently called Classic SPU-GM and like the A model is available in versions like the SPU Mono GM/65 for the playback of 78's and SPU Mono GM for the playback of mono LP's. For mono fans there are available slightly cheaper SPU variants such as the Classic SPU Mono CG65Di and the Classic SPU Mono CA65Di for shellacks and the Classic SPU Mono CG25Di and the Classic SPU Mono CA25Di for mono LP playback. But the higher end models are equally sought after, the SPU Reference GM and the SPU Refernce A are models that were introduced in 1989 and have a modern line contact stylus (the Replicant 100) but are otherwise the same as the older models. The "Meister" series were I believe introduced in 1992 to celebrate that Mr. Robert Gudmandsen (Mr. SPU) had been with the company for 50 years and it features a Neodymium magnet and armature wound with 7Nines copper wire, the line-up includes the SPU Meister GM, SPU Meister A, SPU Meister Silber A and SPU Meister Silber GM, the use of a stronger magnet means that the Meister pickups will give an output of 0,35mV rahter than the rather low 0,20mV that the normal SPU will, the silver version has silver wire used in the armature windings. The top of the line SPU Royal GM and SPU Royal A are variants of the Meister introduced in 1999 that have an gold and silver alloy used inside them and feature a Replicant 100 line contact stylus, this is also the only SPU cart that is available in a standard mound as the Royal N.

    There is also a line of MM's called OD10, OD20 and OD30 along with a line of mid range moving coil pickups from the company called Vigor, Vega, Virgo, Vero II, Virtus and Vero Selected that appears only to be sold in Germany and I have very little info on the except for the Vero model that is an updated version of a much loved classic, there is noticeably no info on those on the company's website.
  • jussumen over 10 years ago

    I noticed that a lot of DJ Shops do not offer the Broadcast E and the blue cheap Ortofon DJ Concorde Versions..
    In fact none had them on offfer when i randomely checked some web-shops to get info about new mixers...

    Something seems to be wrong with the net today. i got "Adress Not Found" Notices at least half a dozen times in the last hour.
    The link to needledoctor you gave in the thread above didn't work for me as well....
    Will Try Later and look for a dealer with a Broadcast E on sale in the meantime...There are some new Ortofone's on the market. Golden One's and another type, i forgot the name.
  • jussumen over 10 years ago

    @ djrankiebones - I found a seller who offers replacement needles for the SHURE V15 Type III !!!! € 42.95 a piece

    http://www.schallplattennadeln.de/

    it is in german. i gave in DUAL and they showed all needles that came with the dozens of different DUAL Turntables that were ever manufactured . (You don't find the V 15 Type III needle under SHURE !!) - Look at replacement for DUAL
    (DUAL went out of business in the late 70ies / early eighties.
    At this web-shop you find replacements for any old Turntable ever sold, even for 78RPM.)

    DN 352
    Original System Number = V 15 III LM

    They also offer the Broadcast E (needle only) in a bright yellow Box for € 45.50

    The pink is the Ortofone Scratch and costs 29 €.
    Beware of these !!!

  • jeromy over 10 years ago

    I had difficulty when tring to price a pair of the Broadcast OM's...

    Does anyone actually know what they are worth??
  • djfrankiebones over 10 years ago

    @jussumen - If your not able to link onto www.needledoctor.com, let me explain what I found out. The 'black' ortofon needles
    have almost a dozen different variations. They come in different prices but are all black. That is crazy, i never n
    knew that:

    Ortofon 40 Stylus
    Price: $229.00

    Ortofon 30 Stylus
    Price: $169.00

    Ortofon 20 Stylus
    Price: $99.00

    Ortofon 14 Stylus
    Price: $45.00

    Ortofon 10 Stylus
    Price: $45.00

    Ortofon 7 Stylus
    Price: $39.00

    Ortofon 5E Stylus
    Price: $39.00

    Ortofon 3E Stylus
    Price: $34.00

    Ortofon 78 Stylus
    Price: $45.00

    Ortofon Stylus D 25 M
    Price: $45.00


  • Manys over 10 years ago

    is this a razor and razor blades thing? or patents? if there's so much difference between these styli, why doesn't ortofon make better needles for shure carts than shure does, and vice versa? to me it all pretty much boils down to needle shape, weight ratings, frequency response and price, in increasing degrees of variance.
  • djfrankiebones over 10 years ago

    I just really am tripping on the fact that someone in a future thread will post: "The blue ortofon tips are better then the black ones". It will happen.

    I just hate knowing that there are 11 different type of black ones that cost anywhere between $34.00 - $229 each.
  • jussumen over 10 years ago

    As i said in the beginning of the thread, i am sure the sytems won't differ that much. They all do lok the same. What makes the difference is the diamond tip and the precision that goes into the cutting proces.
    i found out that the Broadcast E is the only DJ/Concord version from Ortofon that gets the same quality treatment and precision used for the expensive HiFi needles with that exorbitant prices.
    Someone told me he gets his needles cut by a diamond cutter in Antwerpen... wonder how much they will charge him..
    WHY ? With Sperical needles ad a tracking weight of more than 1.5-2.5 gramms it is impossble to read all the data that sits in the grove-rills-therefore it doesn't make sense to use that much precision for the cutting process of the DJ Styli...

    Anotherfact i didn't know. Technically the new DJ S & E are better than the Nightclub Series, but the NC has that special sound that we all connect with Techno or Trance and Schranz.
    These lush silvery HiHats and a transparent wide sound.
    This is not Hifidelty in the true meaning i.e. reproducing sound in the most true form...

    (all info courtesy of http://djservice.com/)

    (Those blue Ortofon DJ systems are not the one's i hated so much 6 or 7 years ago when i tried them. They are completely different by now and more expensive - so as frankiebones said color alone is of no more significance it seems..)
  • jeromy over 10 years ago

    So did you buy the pink Broadcast styli Frankie??

    Cheers!

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