• phonaut over 2 years ago

    I posted this question in the "what fax are you listening to right now?" forum but received no response, and it's probably more appropriate here so I am reposting:
    Hey fellow Fax-heads, I have a conundrum I've run across and am wondering what you all think. Recently, when listening to a mix someone posted online, the song Astronautica by Aythar (from 2016)(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCFVNiJjBB0) started playing, and I had one of those 'huh!?' moments. This song sounds nearly identical to the Namlook song from 1992 Pulsar by Pulsation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wXe_G324mU) published 14 years before. Do you consider this a rip-off, or are the tracks different enough to exist peacefully alongside each other?
  • maya_of_elevatorium over 2 years ago

    I'm happy to know I wasn't the only one who noticed that. I fully agree, it sounds way too similar to Namlook. If this was done as an homage, great, but maybe don't try to transcribe a song and then pass it off as your own.

    It breaks my heart that Pete's gone, and no one else was able to continue the label, because the aftermath is just abusing its legacy and memory.
  • player over 2 years ago

    player edited over 2 years ago
    Yes! Though Aythar's track evolves into its own after the 4+min mark - could be because Namlook's track had an influence on Aythar when he wrote the track and maybe just wanted to expand on it, or maybe a homage/tribute to ambient/Namlook/Fax ? Either way I don't consider it a blatant rip-off.
  • gandolfito63 over 2 years ago

    The extreme similarity of the main synth line (and more) is undeniable,well spotted phonaut.I knew Pulsar since very long ago but I didn't know Aythar´s track.
  • materialobject over 2 years ago

    Hello
    Im selling a bunch of my old Fax + Ambient world CDs here via discogs. Many are sealed / never opened. many others are near mint.
    https://www.discogs.com/seller/materialobject

    thanks.
  • bati over 2 years ago

    it is a rip off . it is obvious
    greetings earthlings...
  • slntwtchr about 1 year ago

    player
    Yes! Though Aythar's track evolves into its own after the 4+min mark - could be because Namlook's track had an influence on Aythar when he wrote the track and maybe just wanted to expand on it, or maybe a homage/tribute to ambient/Namlook/Fax ? Either way I don't consider it a blatant rip-off.


    at least it's just a track and not a Man Made Motion type thing....
  • Jkbam about 1 year ago

    I guess this may be in here somewhere already but I couldn't find it. An interesting piece on Oskar Sala and the Trautonium with a few soundbites from Pete too

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p039712d
  • thirdsystem about 1 year ago

    Good to hear Pete's dulcet tones discussing that instrument of weirdness .

    Anyone have any idea which of Pete's studio works feature this instrument ? I am thinking some of the space ambient masterpieces .
  • Azol about 1 year ago

    thirdsystem
    Anyone have any idea which of Pete's studio works feature this instrument ? I am thinking some of the space ambient masterpieces


    Second track from Psychonavigation - Psychonavigation 3 comes to mind...
  • thirdsystem about 1 year ago

    Azol

    Second track from Psychonavigation - Psychonavigation 3 comes to mind...


    Thanks for the tip. I have Psychonavigation 1,2 and 4 , typical ;)
  • ilmar2350 about 1 year ago

    Jkbam
    I guess this may be in here somewhere already but I couldn't find it. An interesting piece on Oskar Sala and the Trautonium with a few soundbites from Pete too

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p039712d


    Thanks so much for sharing :)
  • Erik_Skysawed about 1 year ago

    “Sounds great! Let’s go have dinner.”

    From the informative Innerviews website by Anil Prasad, a month or so ago another interview with Bill Laswell appeared.
    Here Mr. Laswell is being asked about recent increased output by him (well, that's actually an achievement when taking into account his portfolio), and Anil Prasad asked him about the three DSOTM box sets.. Knowing that the Laswell/Namlook collabs are on my personal top list of the Fax records, Mr. Laswell is modest in his own contributions to the Fax track record (he, or Mr. Prasad, mixes up Outland 1 and Outland 2, though), but he has a few nice words to say about Pete Namlook... In about 2/3 into the interview: http://www.innerviews.org/inner/bill-laswell4
  • alpet about 1 year ago

    alpet edited about 1 year ago
    The interview is a must read for Laswell fans. I was happy to hear about Hideo Yamaki and bandcamp. I forget that Laswell played on DSOTM, they're very Schulze/Namlook records. I do like Outland 1/2 and I understand why Laswell would mention that vs Psychonavigation. Outland is much more Laswell-ian in nature...but Psychonavigation is their best collab with Psychonavigation 5 being the piece de resistance of the series.
  • slntwtchr about 1 year ago

    yeah - Laswell always speaks highly of Namlook. He's mentioned to me a few times that even a lot of the Outland/Psychonavigation releases (especially after you get through the first couple) were largely Namlook - he didn't have a lot to do with them in the broad sense. The "recent" output is more a result of being able to delve into the archives and put more out since it's so easy on the digital end - things that hadn't necessarily warranted a physical release. More to come on Bandcamp (some things take time as older releases Laswell is usually keen on remastering before putting them out again - not just throwing them up as is), and there are some new releases cooking....
  • player about 1 year ago

    Old interview with Charles Uzzel Edwards on Fax(+)
    http://www.massivemag.com/charles-uzzell-edwards-fax-usa/
  • player about 1 year ago

  • player about 1 year ago

    Carpe Sonum double disc Off Land - Afterglow / Relics is now on pre-order for Nov 5th.
    https://carpesonum.bandcamp.com/merch
  • IHeartGaming about 1 year ago

    IHeartGaming edited 11 months ago
    Hi all! Just won some Fax on eBay, most notably Silence III.
  • gandolfito63 about 1 year ago

    player
    Carpe Sonum double disc Off Land - Afterglow / Relics is now on pre-order for Nov 5th.


    Moderators are here for everybody of just for some few of us?!......

    Nothing against that label BUT this isn't the right place. Simply not arguable.
  • player about 1 year ago

    gandolfito63
    Moderators are here for everybody of just for some few of us?!......

    Nothing against that label BUT this isn't the right place. Simply not arguable.


    Whoops! Meant to have put in 'Fax related music'
    https://www.discogs.com/group/thread/518885
  • gandolfito63 about 1 year ago

    player
    Whoops! Meant to have put in 'Fax related music'


    That kind of mistakes can happen very easily.
    It's much more complicated to understand why 2 moderators are unable to correct it even after one day.

    This thread, which obviously should be the most important one for all of us, is sadly starving since years. No one seems anymore interested in "general discussing on Fax" so I was really angry when I realised that one of the very few comments during the last year wasn't about Fax at all.
  • player about 1 year ago

    ^^Understandable

    Octopus
    https://www.discogs.com/Octopus-Octopus/release/52588
    I'm really liking this album with its experimental minimal techno(ish), urban/field ambient, and somewhere in- between style of music and listening experience. Never did think I'd be enjoying this album as much as am. Like its strange blend of moody and calming chilled atmospheres, but am curious on your thoughts of this album as there's very few mixed reviews and ratings on this album!
  • gandolfito63 about 1 year ago

    Unfortunately I don't have Octopus since probably 2012.I remember though not liking it very much but not disliking it terribly either.In fact I listened to it more often than usual for an (imo) "average quality " album. Very probably that is because somehow I felt a bit captivated by it excentricity, and that description (strange blend of moody and calming chilled atmospheres) seems to me very appropiate as far as I remember.
    Maybe its time to give it another chance and buy it again,hopefully it's still as unexpensive as it used to be.
  • Kracker about 1 year ago

    Kracker edited about 1 year ago
    gandolfito63
    It's much more complicated to understand why 2 moderators are unable to correct it even after one day.


    Got a notification but thought the comment was made in the "Fax related thread".

    I'd also suggest keeping what you are listening to in the Fax listening thread since so we don't overload Pete's thread. It's all about keeping everything in the proper thread

    I understand there's not enough general discussion on FAX but this thread is stickied for a reason and doesn't need a whole lot of attending.
  • player about 1 year ago

    player edited about 1 year ago
    I think I might have mentioned this before about a suspect glitch or not on Namlook / Material Object - 'Elektronik' album on the last track 6. CD plays fine on 2 of 3 cd players tested, stutters on one cd player, though you can hear the suspect glitch sound between 14m:11secs to 14m:57secs on all the other cd players though otherwise plays fine, so not sure if that is sound is part of the track ?

    Below is the close approx timing the sounds occur. If anyone confirm if this is a recording error, or part of the recording, or a faulty CD be much appreciated. The CD came direct from Namlook and has always been well looked after. The suspect problem only came to my attention after it stuttered on a higher end cd player I played it on!

    14m 11 to 13secs
    then 14m 14 to 17sec
    then 14m 21 to 46secs
    then 14m 50 to 57sec (last)
  • lixenixen about 1 year ago

    Yes, you asked about this in the "What FAX are you listening now" thread, here's a link to the discussion we had there:

    https://www.discogs.com/group/thread/520611?page=9#7207190
  • gandolfito63 about 1 year ago

    gandolfito63 edited about 1 year ago
    To gbanting, about the limitation debate:

    Business is business...
    We all buyers only see the artistic side of the music. But for any professional musician the commercial side is as important as the artistic side.If he also runs an independent label like Namlook the only way to survive is to become a very clever business man, besides the quality of the music offered for sale,of course. Peter Kuhlmann was widely credited as both a fine musician and a very clever business man. And I guess that's precisely why Fax survived through the global music industry big crisis.For a widely unknown independent label runned by just one man,that was a miracle.Any «trick» in order to make the product more juicy for the customers must be used.That includes the emphasis on the limitation of each release (after all,aren't all releases of any independent label limited to a very low number of copies?! But Pete pointed out that much better than others),the artwork (another great idea that of the circled artwork) and probably many more we are simply not aware of.
    When I started the New Fax Limitations Discoveries thread Pete was very active in this forum and I wrote: "...it would be of course very nice if Pete could bring some light into this.....", "into this"'meaning almost 20 limitation divergences between the 2350 site and the catalog.
    Pete never came to that thread,he didn't answer at all.I don't think he did so for unpoliteness,I think he did so simply because it was commercially better for him that people keep on talking about the somehow mythical limitation status of his releases without knowing all the truth.Was it 1000 copies of this or thst release, 500, maybe a bit less or more?...Keeping the interest and the gossip always sells.
  • jessfranco2 about 1 year ago

    How do you know Pete was a clever businessman?
  • Kayashi about 1 year ago

    Kayashi edited about 1 year ago
    gandolfito63
    Pete never came to that thread,he didn't answer at all.I don't think he did so for unpoliteness,I think he did so simply because it was commercially better for him that people keep on talking about the somehow mythical limitation status of his releases without knowing all the truth.


    I don't think so. As far as I remember, Pete was only active in this topic here and did not participate in discussions in other topics.

    There are a lot of hints from which I believe that the limitation was real.

    Pete always re-issued on AW. If he would have had more CDs than stated, he wouldn't have had any need to do so. The original CDs could have somehow re-appeard magically from the archive or something like that. :)

    When he opened his backstock for sale, it was (and somehow is) quite obvious, which releases were still in stock and even back then, the ones selling for horrible prices were already out of stock (sometimes, even Pete did not have them any more as I remember).

    Last but not least, I remember that he was quite sad when he had to decrease limitations in the last few years.

    To me, personally, it sounds consistent and I always had the feeling, that at least to his customers, Pete was a very honest person. He was always very upset when he saw second hand prices going throught the roof.

    I've never been "pushed" to buy a Fax release just based on a special limitation. I always had the feeling, they'll be around long enough so I won't miss out on something. Since the late 90ties, I bought some Fax CDs right away and some a few months later, when I had the money for the - let's say - "not prio 1 releases". I never missed out on a release, especially when Pete started selling directly and gave an info like "less than 20 available" on his website.

    That only changed after Pete's death when everything Fax-related became a collectible in the first place.
  • gandolfito63 about 1 year ago

    I wasn't talking about honestity but about marketing, something which isn't necessarily at all «in war» with honestity but anyway I won't comment further on this topic because very sadly Pete isn't anymore between us so he cannot say his world.Moreover I see where it would lead if I go on on discussing and years ago I learnt a couple of things here.
    Thanks for sharing your point of view, Kayashi.
  • player about 1 year ago

    Got some original Fax CDs going for very decent prices. Seling due to double buys. Buy 3 or more and get 10% off.
    https://www.discogs.com/seller/player/profile
  • Vertiphon about 1 year ago

    Spacetime Continuum - Sea Biscuit

    Reissue still happening, apparently. It is tempting...
  • player about 1 year ago

    Don't see the point! Easily available without it being illegally re-issued by ... !?!!
  • Vertiphon about 1 year ago

    The Jonah Sharp self titled album seems to have disappeared, so I wouldn't spend a cent unless it's actually released and completely legal.
  • jdcapshew about 1 year ago

    If Psychonavigation is the label, it’s problematic if not authorized by Jonah Sharp.
  • Kracker about 1 year ago

    Kracker edited about 1 year ago
    Ugh this shit again.
    Hey Vertiphon, if it's that tempting, there's plenty of Astralwerks copies on Ebay and discogs. Snag one and enjoy.
    This looks like a repeat of the Peter Benisch, where he had a new album coming out on Psy, then backed out and opted to instead have Waiting For Snow reissued AGAIN (instead of Lindego or something that ACTUALLY needed to be reissued WHY does it have to be FAX WHY) and got screwed on it.

    Wonder if anyone who pre-ordered the Jonah Sharp gets their money back or gets stuck with a CD-R copy of Sea Biscuit with Keith's cheap artwork stamped on it
  • WildDragon. about 1 year ago

    Got mine with Astralwerks. 9 albums for sale right on Ogs

    Go with Philadelphia Music or AcademyRecords, both sellers have stellar service! and only 9 bucks!
  • Vertiphon about 1 year ago

    I caved in, and bought a near mint Astralwerks copy for $13.50 USD :)
  • Jazzual about 1 year ago

    The release on Psychonavigation is a bootleg. Jonah won't have given permission that's for sure. As artists have deserted Psychonavigation Keith has been reduced to releasing music illegally. It's really sad to see this in a small musical scene. Support the credible labels only people!!
  • Vertiphon about 1 year ago

    They put out some good music over the years, and there were more than enough artists to keep the label going without getting involved with the Fax label. This probably could have been avoided!
  • Kracker about 1 year ago

    Album deserves a 2CD Deluxe Edition like what they did with The Orb's discography. Sadly, it seems we'll never get it.
  • phonaut about 1 year ago

    check out all the Namlook references in this trailer: https://youtu.be/rB1k02yh43A
  • Kracker about 1 year ago

    Wow i never knew SHADO was directly named after a 70's show
  • Erik_Skysawed 10 months ago

    Namlook/Fax related... did not see the obvious Topic to ventilate this, hence here in the general FAX +49-69/450464 music discussion....

    I bumped - via Geir Jenssen's Biosphere website - into this:

    http://www.oscillate.club/sound-archive/

    It appears to be a site dedicate to a club called Oscillate from Birmingham. I have grasped the Biosphere, and Jonah Sharp's Spacetime Continuum gigs.. and the Higher Intelligence Agency one.. all around 1993-1996

    Oscillate ? never heard of that before, but it appears that a) any generation is bound to look back at some point in time and b) the audio files come from them days when lots of cross-fertilizing in electronic music was not only possible, but also happening... So further looking around in the web led me to find this:

    https://darko.audio/2018/04/oscillate-wildly-with-higher-intelligence-agency/

    This article not only provides the background information about why "Oscillate" now inflicts memories...points the reader to (amongst others) an exhibition which has passed, and "Ta-Dam !!" a revived Higher Intelligency Agency with a bancamp page (https://higherintelligenceagency.bandcamp.com/ ) where lo-and-behold also the two S.H.A.D.O. HIA/Namlook collabs can be fetched at the audio quality one fancies. Plus a few other ones of HIA/Bobby Bird with Fax-contributors... so apart from newer AoC/Chillage/Montana/Heckmann etc which are available through Bandcamp... sometimes older Fax can be acquired for those who missed out those early years of PK/PS/PW issues or even the AW reissues. (I still favour old skool CDs .. but I am of age that propels me to be old-fashioned).

    Finally, a bit more of Google-searching, I noticed that HIA/Bobby Bird have uploaded on Googletube rare video footage on that last differently sounding track of S.H.A.D.O. 2, (see https://web.archive.org/web/20100228015847/http://2350.org:80/pw41/)
    "Pete Namlook's Oscilloscope / UFO Detection System"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wsHOMlKX6A

    Oh now I see it... it makes perfectly sense !
  • thirdsystem 10 months ago

    Very interesting Erik, thanks for posting. Was unaware of that DSN/ HIA remastered release. Will check that out tonight.

    Interesting that we are seeing more FAX releases on bandcamp. Wonder if we will eventually see the Moufang collabs and more importantly the I.F. masterpieces on bandcamp. Really hope so .
  • slntwtchr 10 months ago

    Interesting to see DSOTM I and II coming on vinyl. Wonder if the rest will follow.
  • maya_of_elevatorium 10 months ago

    slntwtchr
    Interesting to see DSOTM I and II coming on vinyl. Wonder if the rest will follow.

    Where did you see this?
  • gerryc 10 months ago

    I've seen them on Amazon and I believe the whole series on vinyl is planned . It looks like the label that gave us the CD box sets and reissues and possibly K.S. are responding to the current trend for vinyl.
    Will be interesting to hear what the sound quality will be like but they won't be cheap and will the long form pieces composed by Namlook/Schulze "fit" or edited somehow. I'm in two minds as to purchase as I have the CD's but I'm a sucker for new reissues due to my addiction for FAX collecting.
  • slntwtchr 10 months ago

    I'm a bit of a sucker for vinyl, but I don't know how I feel with these. The beauty of these releases for the most part is that they're continuous listening for me. Having to change sides 3 times defeats that listening for me. That being said, my limited experience with this label has been good. They re-issued Bill Laswell/Material's "Hallucination Engine" a few years ago and did a great job of it. Packaging, sound, quality...all that. Laswell had nothing to do with the re-issue, but was quite happy with it.
  • gbanting 10 months ago

    MusicOnVinyl do quality re-pressings in my experience.
  • timanfaya 10 months ago

    When the DSOTM reissue boxes were first announced there was going to be a 16LP box, so I'd be expecting to see the rest in due course. (And it looks like the number of LPs has increased, the 16LP idea must have been based on typically 3 LP sides per CD.)
  • Jkbam 9 months ago

    Fires of Ork 1 & 2 being reissued:
    https://firesofork.bandcamp.com/album/the-fires-of-ork

    Two of my Fax favourites, I bought the Apollo issue of FOO back in the day. FOO 2 pulled me right back in to fax collecting after a couple of years lull.
  • Vertiphon 9 months ago

    ^^ Great to see these getting reissued. I'm missing the first one, so this is a perfect opportunity to finally get it. Ordered :)
  • jdcapshew 9 months ago

    I assume this reissue is on Biophon, with original masters co-owned by Geir Jenssen. Does anyone know if they were remastered by Geir?
  • WildDragon. 9 months ago

    jdcapshew
    I assume this reissue is on Biophon, with original masters co-owned by Geir Jenssen. Does anyone know if they were remastered by Geir?


    I got the email notification from Biophon Records that they were reissuing both Fires of Ork. I'm pretty sure Geir Jenssen has approved before hand. Could ask him on his Facebook.
  • Kracker 9 months ago

    Nicest reissue i've seen of this yet!
  • gandolfito63 9 months ago

    That's good news. None of them are among my favourites of Fax, not to mention that ambient pinnacle called Substrata by Biosphere. But they are both good enough. If they are released as a double Cd I'll buy it ( I had both Fax originals -and more- but I sold them all)
  • leenxxxx 9 months ago

    phonaut
    I posted this question in the "what fax are you listening to right now?" forum but received no response, and it's probably more appropriate here so I am reposting:
    Hey fellow Fax-heads, I have a conundrum I've run across and am wondering what you all think. Recently, when listening to a mix someone posted online, the song Astronautica by Aythar (from 2016)(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCFVNiJjBB0) started playing, and I had one of those 'huh!?' moments. This song sounds nearly identical to the Namlook song from 1992 Pulsar by Pulsation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wXe_G324mU) published 14 years before. Do you consider this a rip-off, or are the tracks different enough to exist peacefully alongside each other?


    Yeah, I felt the same when I heard it the first time. I think he made a re-interpretation of the samples. Also I heard 76:14 influences in the first track. I don't think he has proper hardware synths to emulate the synths.
  • leenxxxx 9 months ago

    phonaut
    check out all the Namlook references in this trailer: https://youtu.be/rB1k02yh43A


    SHADO , and he uses a still for the AMP 2 - red Stripes on a White Wall album.
    Namlook often uses stills from Blade Runner: Miles Apart and Outland 2, and the inlay from Psychonavigation 4 I think
  • FemmaGenton 9 months ago

    The Fires of Ork reissue isn't remastered - Geir said they sounded good enough already.
  • Vertiphon 9 months ago

    I was searching the forum for posts about the Sultan releases and was wondering, whatever happened to the Sultan - "Murad" album? Was it incomplete when Pete passed?
  • Kracker 9 months ago

    Kracker edited 9 months ago
    Yup. We asked why Labyrinth 3 was PW 55 and not PW 54 and Pete said it was because PW 54 was going to be the upcoming Sultan album (which would be Murad) but it never happened.
  • gandolfito63 9 months ago

    Both The Fires of Ork albums have been released in a double album for the normal price of one CD.
    Very good news. Both were(Fax&AW) still easily available separately but only paying quite speculative prices.
    Unfortunately no additional tracks but nevertheless about 2 hours of good music by Pete & Geir.
  • Vertiphon 9 months ago

    ^^ Biophon shipped the physical copies early too. I hope to get mine next week :)
  • ACRID303 9 months ago

    ACRID303 edited 9 months ago
    Kracker
    Yup. We asked why Labyrinth 3 was PW 55 and not PW 54 and Pete said it was because PW 54 was going to be the upcoming Sultan album (which would be Murad) but it never happened.


    Yes 100% I heard Sultan 2 was on the way aswell. I think the first album Sultan was related to his childhood memories and him discovering music at a young age and a project that had a definite meaning on a personal level for Pete that goes back from a very young age and time he spent there on holidays maybe with his father I’m sure he told me.. ..There was some sort of deep meaningful connection there.. ..Through string instruments and the sound of nature combined with harmony and sounds of a river running close by... The beginning inspiration before Romantic Warrior and the beginnings of a true genius of what was to come... Gone to soon and still missed everyday.. Bağlama I think was the instrument he loved from those very early days.
  • Legoguy 8 months ago

  • phonaut 8 months ago

    Dark Side of the Moog albums on vinyl... i just ordered vols 1-4, that's 8 slabs of 180g wax! Wondering if they will reissue all 11 albums...
  • gandolfito63 8 months ago

    I don't see the point of releasing on vinyl CD albums with tracks of more than 20-25 minutes.They must be mutilated or interrupted, the track's order must be changed in many cases,etc.
    Anyway I don't see the point of releasing on vinyl any music at all nowadays.
    Great artworks? Yes. But then why not releasing the CD inside a "vinyl sized" artwork? I remember owning some 10 years ago an album.by Hybryds with that "hybryd" format.
  • maya_of_elevatorium 8 months ago

    gandolfito63
    I don't see the point of releasing on vinyl CD albums with tracks of more than 20-25 minutes.They must be mutilated or interrupted, the track's order must be changed in many cases,etc.
    Anyway I don't see the point of releasing on vinyl any music at all nowadays.
    Great artworks? Yes. But then why not releasing the CD inside a "vinyl sized" artwork? I remember owning some 10 years ago an album.by Hybryds with that "hybryd" format.


    I completely agree with this sentiment. With FAX gone (I still cannot believe I'm saying this.), everyone's milking the music for unnecessary re-issues, especially the DSofM series.
  • gandolfito63 8 months ago

    That's the point dear maya_of_elevatorium, "milking".
    All DSotM albums have been released 3 times, there are still tonnes of the last reissues available, in luxurious boxes with 4 albums inside & additions.I found that a great idea because of the superior artwork comparing with the Fax/AW releases and because it was the end of very speculating prices for all the DSofM original albums on Fax for everyone caring just for the music besides collector's urges.
    But now this new reissue...on vinyl¡ when many of the albums are just one conceptual 50-70 minutes track is milking the cow too much.
  • slntwtchr 8 months ago

    [quote=gandolfito63][/quote]

    I agree on the milking aspect. But, you go with what sells (or you think will sell) and MusicOnVinyl obviously believes these will sell, so whatever. Doesn't change my life. But as you point out (partially why I don't know that these make sense on vinyl), the DSOTM albums (and a lot of Namlook's stuff in general) are long, flowing releases. They're MADE for CD in that respect. Having to flip vinyl once, much less 3 times seems to dilute the experience of what those tracks are creating.
  • gandolfito63 8 months ago

    Exactly slntwtchr, flow totally defines KS's music, his entire career. And it's very important too in many Namlook's albums.
    I cannot understand why anybody would like to listen to DSotM or DSotM 2 (for example) in 3 separate pieces but as you point out, if they sell that won't change my life at all.
    The lucrative aspect of the whole thing is very evident thoug.Taking advantage of the urge of die-hard collectors who need to buy everything from this or that artist or label.I know well what I am speaking about because years ago I was such a die-hard collector (fortunately not any more)
  • slntwtchr 8 months ago

    haha...I was as well. Though there are a few for whom I still am (somewhat). That being said, I will pass up these...except for a few specific volumes that unfortunately will play into my OCD
  • FemmaGenton 8 months ago

    We live in a vinyl-obsessed period, where things will sell purely because they're on LP, and it's increasingly difficult - outside of certain circles - to sell CDs at all. I'm in a FSOL group on Facebook, and people there seem to be more excited about their latest release on 12" rather than CD - even though it's meant to be played gapless, and the CD has two more tracks. The latest Gas album was marketed as 'to be played start to finish without pause' and still released on a double LP, which seems to have sold really well. So if people want to buy these records on vinyl, then labels will release them. In a few years I reckon things will calm down a little, and people will go back to buying music on formats based on their merits and how they suit the music rather than snobbery.
  • jdcapshew 8 months ago

    I love that vinyl has made a comeback and I think after some time, CDs may do the same. They sound great these days, especially on high resolution audio systems. I buy 95% in the cd format but the bias against the format makes no sense. I now rely on Japan for most of my CDs.
  • player 8 months ago

    I never understood the love of vinyl ?! The argument always seems on sound but in reality CDs cans sound better/same mostly; most don't even notice the differences esp when played on good system ! I can't see any advantages vinyl over CDs except some art might look better due to the size !
  • FemmaGenton 8 months ago

    Vinyl has a certain amount of prestige having been around for longer, the 12" long player pretty much defining what we think of as an 'album' today, and being the main format for many classic albums, as well as 12"s being the main format DJs for a long time. Ambient and very quiet or very digital sounding experimental styles really took advantage of CD as way to present music, but for most other styles, other than a short burst in the late '80s and early '90s, 40 minutes has remained the average album length, and so many musicians are still inspired by bands from the mid '60s to the mid '80s who only had music on LPs, so it has remained the kind of 'legitimate' format because of that. Badly mastered and overpriced CDs in the format's early years did its reputation no end, and a lot of people still bring up 'tinny' sounding CDs and other nonsense as if they're relevant criticisms these days.
    Vinyl being bigger and more expensive also lends it a certain level of legitimacy to some - LPs can't be put together for a matter of pennies (per copy) in a fortnight in the way CDs can, so there's some sort of intrinsic value inferred from that. In an era when music has seemingly lost a lot of value for some people, being disposable enough that one can find just about any album in a few seconds and listen to it for free, I think having a large, attractive, expensive item is quite an appealing way to listen to music. CDs can seem small and cheap in comparison, and easier to just rip to computer and listen there anyway. And, of course, fashion comes into it a lot. Vinyl is being hyped up so much these days - ask the general public, and a lot of people will think vinyl outsells CD today, which is nonsense (90% of physical sales in the UK last year were CDs) - so a lot of it is down to people buying them because they're trendy. I've read enough reports of people saying they don't even play them, just have a collection or even put them on their walls.

    From an aesthetic perspective, I absolutely love records. I think they're beautiful things, and I do quite enjoy putting them on, but in terms of actual musical satisfaction I find they're regularly a pain in the arse - cleaning, flipping sides every 15-20 minutes, putting up with static pops. And the sound quality argument is bollocks - you can fit about eight minutes of music on one side of a 12" before you start compromising in quality, so other than the occasional album - Aphex's Syro being a notable example, being a 60 minutes 3LP release - LPs don't offer an accurate representation of the actual master.
  • player 8 months ago

    I don't think I would have ever have followed Fax label if releases were vinyl only - I did have a vinyl player once! Can't imagine flipping over albums like 'Live @ i/s/c', Electro Harmonix, Jet Chamber, 2330 Broadway series, Shades of Orion series..etc.
  • FemmaGenton 8 months ago

    No, indeed, those albums were composed specifically for CD. It's one reason why almost all of the underground and DIY labels that still do CDs are ambient-based labels - ambient albums regularly require very long gapless listening experiences.

    CD is still my format of choice, but I buy LPs and tapes when CDs aren't available. Format is mostly irrelevant for me unless it actively spoils the listening
  • gandolfito63 8 months ago

    gandolfito63 edited 8 months ago
    Vinyl sound is crap compared to any well mastered CD, no one will convince me of the opposite. I had a better sound system in the vinyl era than nowadays and yet the sound could not be compared qualitatively -no way at all!- to any regular CD.
    Moreover,what about the lifespan of a vinyl? Albums I listened to quite often I had to rebuy them 3 or 4 times, in spite of taking a lot of care about cleaning,playing and storing them.And in spite of playing them with an excellent Dual player.
    The lenght? 40 minutes for an album nowadays is scandalous specially with electronic music which is composed,produced and edited in present days at lightspeed.Unless of course that artist is releasing something of the magnitude of TD's Rubycon (just 34 minutes) or Kraftwerk's The Man-Machine but those kind of genius simply don't exist now.
    There are many other reasons why the CD is vastly superior to the vinyl, it has all been said about it.I think -and I hope!- this renewed love for vinyl is just a short trend.It's very frustrating waiting for decades a CD edition of some very fine works of certain electronic masters from the 70's and when it is finally re-released the chosen format is an expensive and absurd vinyl-box!
  • Jazzual 8 months ago

    I only see upsides to the CD. Better sound quality, less prone to damage, you don't need to flip them over and they fit through the letter box!

    Great to see an underappreciated format getting due respect.
  • jdcapshew 8 months ago

    I don’t believe that CD sound is better than vinyl, sometimes it is, sometimes not. The CD even when it was king will forever be tarnished by inferior mastering and poorly developed digital technology resulting in truly terrible sounding CDs in the 80s. This has been corrected and improved over the years to the point where they are at least as good as vinyl. Both physical formats are vastly superior to any downloadable format and streaming. I have a high end audio system and most new CDs sound fantastic and is my preferred format. Fortunately Japanese listeners agree with that and it’s keeping the format viable. I buy about 50% of my CD purchases from Japan even forgoing my discount from being an owner of the Rough Trade record store in Brooklyn which is the best record store in New York.
  • Dogfather 8 months ago

    Hi jdcapshew - can you recommend any retailers in Japan? Thanks
  • jdcapshew 8 months ago

    By far my favorite is HMV Japan. They run lots of sales, discounts on bulk purchases and you can accumulate discount coupons for future buys. They also let you know when you’re ordering something you’ve bought before which is helpful to prolific buyers like me. Shipping is fast but expensive so it makes sense to save what you want on your “wish list” and order a bunch of items together.
  • thirdsystem 4 months ago

    Having mentioned these tunes on the now playing topic , time again to mention the travesty that is FAX not available in the mainstream , like bandcamp, iTunes etc.

    Go No Go
    The Real World
    And stuff like;
    Blackbird Suite
    Retro Future

    Absolutely epic tunes of momentous nature, there will be others but these are the ones that spring to mind immediately. After all these years and none of this is easily available for download etc to get folk into Pete’s legacy. Surely all the allleged rights and legal crap has been sorted out by now. Really is still a sad situation and is , tbh, a disgrace.
  • FemmaGenton 4 months ago

    A nice, reasonably in-depth article about the history of FAX on the Red Bull Academy website today, including interviews with Uwe, Laswell and Gier Jensen: http://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2018/11/fax-pete-namlook
  • novymir 4 months ago

    FemmaGenton
    A nice, reasonably in-depth article about the history of FAX on the Red Bull Academy website today, including interviews with Uwe, Laswell and Gier Jensen: http://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2018/11/fax-pete-namlook


    Odd that there was no interview of Move D
  • thirdsystem 4 months ago

    Very interesting article, thanks for posting that FemmaGenton.
  • simonangel 4 months ago

    Thinking of you today Pete (as well as most other days).
  • thirdsystem 3 months ago

    I finally succumbed to setting up a TV etc in my studio/office and I don't know why I did not watch this before however just seen the "Slices" Electronic Music Magazine DVD that Pete sent with one of my orders, think it was one of the Pearl's or the Escape reissue.

    Fantastic and emotional to see the great man in his home environment and driving his extremely cool ,old red Triumph vehicle. Very interesting interview and seeing his studio and Pete at work there, superb. Even featured his greenhouse with the Tomato plants he sent me seeds from :).

    Sad but uplifting watching that.

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