• phonaut 11 months ago

    I posted this question in the "what fax are you listening to right now?" forum but received no response, and it's probably more appropriate here so I am reposting:
    Hey fellow Fax-heads, I have a conundrum I've run across and am wondering what you all think. Recently, when listening to a mix someone posted online, the song Astronautica by Aythar (from 2016)(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCFVNiJjBB0) started playing, and I had one of those 'huh!?' moments. This song sounds nearly identical to the Namlook song from 1992 Pulsar by Pulsation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wXe_G324mU) published 14 years before. Do you consider this a rip-off, or are the tracks different enough to exist peacefully alongside each other?
  • maya_of_elevatorium 11 months ago

    I'm happy to know I wasn't the only one who noticed that. I fully agree, it sounds way too similar to Namlook. If this was done as an homage, great, but maybe don't try to transcribe a song and then pass it off as your own.

    It breaks my heart that Pete's gone, and no one else was able to continue the label, because the aftermath is just abusing its legacy and memory.
  • player 11 months ago

    player edited 11 months ago
    Yes! Though Aythar's track evolves into its own after the 4+min mark - could be because Namlook's track had an influence on Aythar when he wrote the track and maybe just wanted to expand on it, or maybe a homage/tribute to ambient/Namlook/Fax ? Either way I don't consider it a blatant rip-off.
  • gandolfito63 11 months ago

    The extreme similarity of the main synth line (and more) is undeniable,well spotted phonaut.I knew Pulsar since very long ago but I didn't know Aythar´s track.
  • materialobject 10 months ago

    Hello
    Im selling a bunch of my old Fax + Ambient world CDs here via discogs. Many are sealed / never opened. many others are near mint.
    https://www.discogs.com/seller/materialobject

    thanks.
  • bati 10 months ago

    it is a rip off . it is obvious
    greetings earthlings...
  • slntwtchr 10 months ago

    player
    Yes! Though Aythar's track evolves into its own after the 4+min mark - could be because Namlook's track had an influence on Aythar when he wrote the track and maybe just wanted to expand on it, or maybe a homage/tribute to ambient/Namlook/Fax ? Either way I don't consider it a blatant rip-off.


    at least it's just a track and not a Man Made Motion type thing....
  • Jkbam 9 months ago

    I guess this may be in here somewhere already but I couldn't find it. An interesting piece on Oskar Sala and the Trautonium with a few soundbites from Pete too

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p039712d
  • thirdsystem 9 months ago

    Good to hear Pete's dulcet tones discussing that instrument of weirdness .

    Anyone have any idea which of Pete's studio works feature this instrument ? I am thinking some of the space ambient masterpieces .
  • Azol 8 months ago

    thirdsystem
    Anyone have any idea which of Pete's studio works feature this instrument ? I am thinking some of the space ambient masterpieces


    Second track from Psychonavigation - Psychonavigation 3 comes to mind...
  • thirdsystem 8 months ago

    Azol

    Second track from Psychonavigation - Psychonavigation 3 comes to mind...


    Thanks for the tip. I have Psychonavigation 1,2 and 4 , typical ;)
  • ilmar2350 8 months ago

    Jkbam
    I guess this may be in here somewhere already but I couldn't find it. An interesting piece on Oskar Sala and the Trautonium with a few soundbites from Pete too

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p039712d


    Thanks so much for sharing :)
  • Erik_Skysawed 6 months ago

    “Sounds great! Let’s go have dinner.”

    From the informative Innerviews website by Anil Prasad, a month or so ago another interview with Bill Laswell appeared.
    Here Mr. Laswell is being asked about recent increased output by him (well, that's actually an achievement when taking into account his portfolio), and Anil Prasad asked him about the three DSOTM box sets.. Knowing that the Laswell/Namlook collabs are on my personal top list of the Fax records, Mr. Laswell is modest in his own contributions to the Fax track record (he, or Mr. Prasad, mixes up Outland 1 and Outland 2, though), but he has a few nice words to say about Pete Namlook... In about 2/3 into the interview: http://www.innerviews.org/inner/bill-laswell4
  • alpet 6 months ago

    alpet edited 6 months ago
    The interview is a must read for Laswell fans. I was happy to hear about Hideo Yamaki and bandcamp. I forget that Laswell played on DSOTM, they're very Schulze/Namlook records. I do like Outland 1/2 and I understand why Laswell would mention that vs Psychonavigation. Outland is much more Laswell-ian in nature...but Psychonavigation is their best collab with Psychonavigation 5 being the piece de resistance of the series.
  • slntwtchr 6 months ago

    yeah - Laswell always speaks highly of Namlook. He's mentioned to me a few times that even a lot of the Outland/Psychonavigation releases (especially after you get through the first couple) were largely Namlook - he didn't have a lot to do with them in the broad sense. The "recent" output is more a result of being able to delve into the archives and put more out since it's so easy on the digital end - things that hadn't necessarily warranted a physical release. More to come on Bandcamp (some things take time as older releases Laswell is usually keen on remastering before putting them out again - not just throwing them up as is), and there are some new releases cooking....
  • player 5 months ago

    Old interview with Charles Uzzel Edwards on Fax(+)
    http://www.massivemag.com/charles-uzzell-edwards-fax-usa/
  • player 5 months ago

  • player 5 months ago

    Carpe Sonum double disc Off Land - Afterglow / Relics is now on pre-order for Nov 5th.
    https://carpesonum.bandcamp.com/merch
  • IHeartGaming 5 months ago

    Hi all! Just won some Fax on eBay, most notably Silence III.

    I'm having trouble placing a Fax track that I heard, though. It might be in my library but I can't place it mentally going through my albums. It also might be from prelistening to albums that were up on eBay or just something via YouTube. If anyone can listen to the sequenced version of what I remember and try to identify it, that would be greatly appreciated.
  • gandolfito63 5 months ago

    player
    Carpe Sonum double disc Off Land - Afterglow / Relics is now on pre-order for Nov 5th.


    Moderators are here for everybody of just for some few of us?!......

    Nothing against that label BUT this isn't the right place. Simply not arguable.
  • player 5 months ago

    gandolfito63
    Moderators are here for everybody of just for some few of us?!......

    Nothing against that label BUT this isn't the right place. Simply not arguable.


    Whoops! Meant to have put in 'Fax related music'
    https://www.discogs.com/group/thread/518885
  • gandolfito63 5 months ago

    player
    Whoops! Meant to have put in 'Fax related music'


    That kind of mistakes can happen very easily.
    It's much more complicated to understand why 2 moderators are unable to correct it even after one day.

    This thread, which obviously should be the most important one for all of us, is sadly starving since years. No one seems anymore interested in "general discussing on Fax" so I was really angry when I realised that one of the very few comments during the last year wasn't about Fax at all.
  • player 5 months ago

    ^^Understandable

    Octopus
    https://www.discogs.com/Octopus-Octopus/release/52588
    I'm really liking this album with its experimental minimal techno(ish), urban/field ambient, and somewhere in- between style of music and listening experience. Never did think I'd be enjoying this album as much as am. Like its strange blend of moody and calming chilled atmospheres, but am curious on your thoughts of this album as there's very few mixed reviews and ratings on this album!
  • gandolfito63 5 months ago

    Unfortunately I don't have Octopus since probably 2012.I remember though not liking it very much but not disliking it terribly either.In fact I listened to it more often than usual for an (imo) "average quality " album. Very probably that is because somehow I felt a bit captivated by it excentricity, and that description (strange blend of moody and calming chilled atmospheres) seems to me very appropiate as far as I remember.
    Maybe its time to give it another chance and buy it again,hopefully it's still as unexpensive as it used to be.
  • Kracker 5 months ago

    Kracker edited 5 months ago
    gandolfito63
    It's much more complicated to understand why 2 moderators are unable to correct it even after one day.


    Got a notification but thought the comment was made in the "Fax related thread".

    I'd also suggest keeping what you are listening to in the Fax listening thread since so we don't overload Pete's thread. It's all about keeping everything in the proper thread

    I understand there's not enough general discussion on FAX but this thread is stickied for a reason and doesn't need a whole lot of attending.
  • player 5 months ago

    player edited 5 months ago
    I think I might have mentioned this before about a suspect glitch or not on Namlook / Material Object - 'Elektronik' album on the last track 6. CD plays fine on 2 of 3 cd players tested, stutters on one cd player, though you can hear the suspect glitch sound between 14m:11secs to 14m:57secs on all the other cd players though otherwise plays fine, so not sure if that is sound is part of the track ?

    Below is the close approx timing the sounds occur. If anyone confirm if this is a recording error, or part of the recording, or a faulty CD be much appreciated. The CD came direct from Namlook and has always been well looked after. The suspect problem only came to my attention after it stuttered on a higher end cd player I played it on!

    14m 11 to 13secs
    then 14m 14 to 17sec
    then 14m 21 to 46secs
    then 14m 50 to 57sec (last)
  • lixenixen 4 months ago

    Yes, you asked about this in the "What FAX are you listening now" thread, here's a link to the discussion we had there:

    https://www.discogs.com/group/thread/520611?page=9#7207190
  • gandolfito63 3 months ago

    gandolfito63 edited 3 months ago
    To gbanting, about the limitation debate:

    Business is business...
    We all buyers only see the artistic side of the music. But for any professional musician the commercial side is as important as the artistic side.If he also runs an independent label like Namlook the only way to survive is to become a very clever business man, besides the quality of the music offered for sale,of course. Peter Kuhlmann was widely credited as both a fine musician and a very clever business man. And I guess that's precisely why Fax survived through the global music industry big crisis.For a widely unknown independent label runned by just one man,that was a miracle.Any «trick» in order to make the product more juicy for the customers must be used.That includes the emphasis on the limitation of each release (after all,aren't all releases of any independent label limited to a very low number of copies?! But Pete pointed out that much better than others),the artwork (another great idea that of the circled artwork) and probably many more we are simply not aware of.
    When I started the New Fax Limitations Discoveries thread Pete was very active in this forum and I wrote: "...it would be of course very nice if Pete could bring some light into this.....", "into this"'meaning almost 20 limitation divergences between the 2350 site and the catalog.
    Pete never came to that thread,he didn't answer at all.I don't think he did so for unpoliteness,I think he did so simply because it was commercially better for him that people keep on talking about the somehow mythical limitation status of his releases without knowing all the truth.Was it 1000 copies of this or thst release, 500, maybe a bit less or more?...Keeping the interest and the gossip always sells.
  • jessfranco2 3 months ago

    How do you know Pete was a clever businessman?
  • Kayashi 3 months ago

    Kayashi edited 3 months ago
    gandolfito63
    Pete never came to that thread,he didn't answer at all.I don't think he did so for unpoliteness,I think he did so simply because it was commercially better for him that people keep on talking about the somehow mythical limitation status of his releases without knowing all the truth.


    I don't think so. As far as I remember, Pete was only active in this topic here and did not participate in discussions in other topics.

    There are a lot of hints from which I believe that the limitation was real.

    Pete always re-issued on AW. If he would have had more CDs than stated, he wouldn't have had any need to do so. The original CDs could have somehow re-appeard magically from the archive or something like that. :)

    When he opened his backstock for sale, it was (and somehow is) quite obvious, which releases were still in stock and even back then, the ones selling for horrible prices were already out of stock (sometimes, even Pete did not have them any more as I remember).

    Last but not least, I remember that he was quite sad when he had to decrease limitations in the last few years.

    To me, personally, it sounds consistent and I always had the feeling, that at least to his customers, Pete was a very honest person. He was always very upset when he saw second hand prices going throught the roof.

    I've never been "pushed" to buy a Fax release just based on a special limitation. I always had the feeling, they'll be around long enough so I won't miss out on something. Since the late 90ties, I bought some Fax CDs right away and some a few months later, when I had the money for the - let's say - "not prio 1 releases". I never missed out on a release, especially when Pete started selling directly and gave an info like "less than 20 available" on his website.

    That only changed after Pete's death when everything Fax-related became a collectible in the first place.
  • gandolfito63 3 months ago

    I wasn't talking about honestity but about marketing, something which isn't necessarily at all «in war» with honestity but anyway I won't comment further on this topic because very sadly Pete isn't anymore between us so he cannot say his world.Moreover I see where it would lead if I go on on discussing and years ago I learnt a couple of things here.
    Thanks for sharing your point of view, Kayashi.
  • player 2 months ago

    Got some original Fax CDs going for very decent prices. Seling due to double buys. Buy 3 or more and get 10% off.
    https://www.discogs.com/seller/player/profile

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