• browna over 5 years ago

    Wow, another 4 new albums coming soon =) and a 12"
    Still waiting on the last 4 but they apologised and we are getting a free disc supposedly!?

    http://echospacedetroit.bandcamp.com
  • sonicl over 5 years ago

    Intriguingly the emails that Bandcamp sent out included one for a 5th album, "beyond the clouds / beyond the sequence (live in Japan) by CV313, but the link leads nowhere.
  • Boab313 over 5 years ago

    Boab313 edited over 5 years ago
    A serious amount of new music, im really interested in the double cd "thru the cosmos" and the CV313 Live CD. I only wish we could hear decent length sound clips before purchase. Great work all the same.
  • cighah over 5 years ago

    sonicl
    Intriguingly the emails that Bandcamp sent out included one for a 5th album, "beyond the clouds / beyond the sequence (live in Japan) by CV313, but the link leads nowhere.


    I noticed the same thing. Maybe that album was the bonus disc some of us are going to receive, and someone uploaded it on Bandcamp by mistake, and then took it down again, after the email about it was sent out?
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    Too much 'one (lenght) track album' for me. I'm not fan of this, especially reg the total price. Perhaps the artist needs 1 hour to express his feeling in one track but i prefer 5 or 6 10mn/15mn tracks on one album.
  • Ahorn_ over 5 years ago

    italdub
    Too much 'one (lenght) track album' for me. I'm not fan of this, especially reg the total price. Perhaps the artist needs 1 hour to express his feeling in one track but i prefer 5 or 6 10mn/15mn tracks on one album.


    This is a matter of taste and only your opinion. Many ambient artists generally use this form. And as Variant is more or less an ambient / ambient Techno Project of Steve, it is obvious he choses this length. There are many who like this approach because it lets you drift away for an entire hour. Enough time to build up a theme.
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    For sure this is my opinion as this is a forum and i believe that we can share our opinion:)
    I know that there is an artistic interest in the developement of one track album (more time, more space for expression etc...). But this is too much for me: instead of 1 LP with 6 tracks (like before) at 25$ we have now 6 lenghts tracks at 18$ each. I would like to follow but i can't. I believe that it's not only for artistic facility. But this is the game.
  • Ahorn_ over 5 years ago

    I get your point and maybe he is releasing so much of this stuff to make some money. However, each of the releases are high quality music and not just quantity of quality. And if he makes a bit of money with them to reinvest it into music and thus be able to continue with the label, I'm more than fine with it.
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    You are right, i share your point of vue reg the economic viability of the label. He's a nice artist also. I have to find a better paid job!
  • mfakanemo over 5 years ago

    without any further thoughts, i instantly ordered the two Variant releases. this, to me, is the most important project of all those Echospace incarnations. from my point of view, because I am more into ambient than ever before and Variant is the perfect materialization of ambient/deep techno music. I listened to the "Aurora's Dream" (the first) CD so many times (The Solar Version), it is indescribable.

    about the length. i totally love this. this is the best way to express a long journey, taking care about every little detail. a lot of ambient artists use this way of production, because they take care about the perfect pattern and a thought out structure. Why? Because those artists have a lot to tell through music. it wouldnt make sense to limited yourself. And what i can tell you from my own point, is: it is not that easy to prepare such a long session, you have to go through a lot of processes before and after..

    Our label was requested to make a remix for Coppice Halifax and I discussed it. Brian told me with just a few words this: "It is so liberating". That left a huge impact and these few words tell everything possible and express the feeling the best way what's going on with you as an artist. (Thanks, Brian!)

    Variant forever.
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    Well, i'm not so relative with ambient, this is why i prefer shorters and various tracks on one album. But i understand your position reg Variant project.
  • pinkspace over 5 years ago

    mfakanemo
    (Thanks, Brian!)

    Variant forever.


    Cheers Marcel, having maxed out my only credit card to buy the new stuff, I can only concur.
  • pinkspace over 5 years ago

    Also, you guys should go easier on italdub - this man has very good taste and when it comes to such things, we all know there's no compass.
  • vanez.art over 5 years ago

    Variant is the most evocative echospace project for me, and the most I feel attached to. seems like Steve has finally decided that the time to give the world his most intimate project, to give this gift fully, has come, or I might be wrong of course.
    don't see the difference between a CD (esp scarcely packaged/designed in echospace's case) and digital nowadays though. and, money is the issue too, currency rate in my country is a shame.
    so it's a bit too much for me lately for both financial and musical reasons, but, I just let all the things be. viva echospace!
  • mfakanemo over 5 years ago

    yeah it was no critics against italdub, i just wanted to explain my point of view about Variants exorbitant journeys :)
    cheers!
  • treeant over 5 years ago

    Hey guys, great to see some new releases coming out from Steve, feel sure he will be pushing it to the limits as always. Strange to hear he ran into some problems in the manufacturing of the last series of releases - very unlike our Steve normally he is all over it like a rash and we get our orders promptly and for a reasonable price. But good news we are gonna get some Eco - friendly prints of images captured by NASA (in case you didn't realise NASA are a completely eco-friendly outfit apart from that rocket fuel and space rocket build stuff) so we can transcend and feel all other worldly and be guilt free at the same time. Thankfully it looks like we got a European Tour - tho I could of swore that the EU was bigger than the very limited amount of countries mentioned. Sure that Steve wouldn't let us down and live up to that North American stereotype and call a continental tour a spattering of dates in a couple of countries. Just reading again about Variant evoking various celestial phenomena no honest its in there I am not joking it really says that - I mean I'm all for that sh*t even if I am not sure what it means but it sounds great and I think steves great and Rods a God and he is the Chord Lord????? so I wouldn't even question if this stuff is on the level or if someone were taking the piss in a major way and charging me a lot of money to buy his albums. Looking forward to the releases though - can't imagine what they might sound like - hour long variant releases its gonna be fresh and breaking boundaries left right and centre. Very excited at this end.
  • pinkspace over 5 years ago

    Every time the Chord Lord title I bestowed upon Rod is invoked, he gets a little stronger...
  • treeant over 5 years ago

    NIce one my friend - I did have to chuckle!
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    pinkspace
    Also, you guys should go easier on italdub - this man has very good taste and when it comes to such things, we all know there's no compass.


    mfakanemo
    yeah it was no critics against italdub, i just wanted to explain my point of view about Variants exorbitant journeys :)
    cheers!


    Big Up to Brian CH and Nemo Nautilus Project, no problem, we speak each other since many years now. There is no problem. I feel frustrated because i can't follow the echospace bandwagon creativity...The one track format is no help for my credit card. Vive Echospace.
  • takeaway over 5 years ago

    Sea Shell City is the one i'm interested in as it's echospace plays michael mantra, mastered by the Chord Lord. i guess it will be the last of a long lineage of interlinked productions from waaaay back to sonic continuum and including the magnificent DeepChordLord mix of Sonic Alter and the wonderful Plays Michael Mantra. Really looking forward to hearing this one.
  • alternating_bit over 5 years ago

    To me one track or 20 tracks doesn't make a difference so long as the overall duration equals an album or EP.
    What still bothers me is how they keep posting new material with no audio samples as if to say we are gods that don't need to play by any rules, we'll get the money regardless. And obviously they are lol.
    "Pyralis" interested me most mainly because of the cover art, but I wanted to wait until an audio sample was up and sure enough it is now SOLD OUT already -.-
    Whatever.
  • dreamstatesounds over 5 years ago

    alternating_bit
    "Pyralis" interested me most mainly because of the cover art, but I wanted to wait until an audio sample was up and sure enough it is now SOLD OUT already -.-
    Whatever.


    When I ordered there was definitely an audio sample up, which was part of the reason I ordered it. Their strategy might not be right by everyone but i sort of agree that it's hard to assess these long player pieces from a small sample. I ordered the new Borderland project on sight and there were no audio samples provided. To each their own when it comes to what and how you buy music. I would prefer they do another 9-10 track album again but I also haven't been let down, all the variant stuff has been ace imho, as for my bank account it's been hard to keep up with.
  • TapeHissMakesMeHappy over 5 years ago

    echospace 019 12" posted on bc and..

    "NOTE*** We've dug deep in the crates, shelves and bins in the warehouse and the last of our remaining stock is accounted for and live on the shop. Thanks for your support!"

    Don't sleep, fam
  • alternating_bit over 5 years ago

    alternating_bit edited over 5 years ago
    Weird how they didn't post audio samples on the Bandcamp page, but Decks.de has them...
    Anyway if you're worried about the "30 copies" quoted on Bandcamp, they're also available via:

    RedEye
    http://www.redeyerecords.co.uk/vinyl/73596-echospace019-cv313
    Decks
    http://www.decks.de/t/cv313-beyond_the_clouds-beyond_the_sequence_live_in_japan/c75-4c
    Norman
    https://www.normanrecords.com/records/158990-cv313-beyond-the-clouds-beyond-the
  • aortomus over 5 years ago

    Anyone notice that all the new CDs are limited editions of 100 and there is, as of this writing, literally 1 of each CD remaining?

    Looking for digital but couldn't help but notice that.
  • seagater over 5 years ago

    Ordered all, shipping notice came in my inbox this evening. Looking forward to the voyage.
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    aortomus
    Anyone notice that all the new CDs are limited editions of 100 and there is, as of this writing, literally 1 of each CD remaining?

    Looking for digital but couldn't help but notice that.


    Yes, when you order the 1 remaining, it's writen solde out then 1 remaining again. It's what i observe since more than 1 week. I figure that more than 100 copies are made. So the dates release and the limited edition numbers are not exactly what it's described...
  • mfakanemo over 5 years ago

    regarding the shipping notice - i received also a shipping notice, for the "thru the cosmos" and "pyralis" CDs by variant. but, shipping of the "sequential sleep" cd is not included. does it mean it will shipped later separately? or anyone here who received a shipping notice about the sequential sleep?
  • LeoLeo over 5 years ago

    I received shipping notices for 4 CDs, including "Sequential Sleep" ...
  • browna over 5 years ago

    Yeah I received a shipping notification for, Sequential Sleep 2xCD, Thru the cosmos 2x CD, Pyralis & Cv313 CDs.
  • cighah over 5 years ago

    regarding that new "beyond the clouds / beyond the sequence [live in japan]" release by cv313:
    would that be the same track as the "beyond the clouds [live at air club, tokyo, japan]" version on the "seconds to forever [limited edition]" release?
  • TapeHissMakesMeHappy over 5 years ago

    sequential sleep is of the most visually striking and well-made physical releases ever put out by the label; happily, the two hour-long discs of music offer up a concordantly mystical majesty.

    ancient spirits stir in the night wind.

    i hear a ghost in the machine.
  • pinkspace over 5 years ago

    Looking forward to that one. I agree, it looks like special care was placed on the pressing with it.

    Currently surfing on the sine waves of Apogee/Perigee. Creamy, dreamy and steamy.
  • dreamstatesounds over 5 years ago

    TapeHissMakesMeHappy
    sequential sleep is of the most visually striking and well-made physical releases ever put out by the label; happily, the two hour-long discs of music offer up a concordantly mystical majesty.


    I agree, I've only had 24 hours with it and it is very mystical. I fell asleep to disk 2 last night and it was still running through my brain this morning. The CV313 land of low lying clouds is seriously on another level, very good.
  • dubtech over 5 years ago

    Not arrive yet. Lucky
  • player over 5 years ago

    Anyone in Uk received CDs ?
  • ghramsummers over 5 years ago

    Arrived today mate.
  • mfakanemo over 5 years ago

    mfakanemo edited over 5 years ago
    moved >>>>>
  • ghramsummers over 5 years ago

    I've never had an issue mate, always have had an answer when I've emailed. Did you try the [email protected] address? I've always received a reply from this account. I would try that mate, the person I spoke with was named Eva, she helped me out straight away for a customs ID tag.
  • dreamstatesounds over 5 years ago

    Outside of waiting a bit longer than I would like, all has been fine, although, I am in the US.
  • mfakanemo over 5 years ago

    ok, the label contacted me and we are working on a solution. something has changed there and I am happy with it., over night i received an answer, and looking back to the issue 2 years ago, this is the fasted response ever from them. i am blessed. now lets look forward.
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    My copy of 'Thru The Cosmos' album is the 2 cdrs with different artworks for Perigee and Apogee as mentionned and pictured but it's exactly the same track on the 2 medias (duration 60mn29s each one). There is another people with the same problem?
  • livingwithope over 5 years ago

    italdub
    My copy of 'Thru The Cosmos' album is the 2 cdrs with different artworks for Perigee and Apogee as mentionned and pictured but it's exactly the same track on the 2 medias (duration 60mn29s each one). There is another people with the same problem?


    Two different tracks on my two discs, however the duration on mine does not follow the Discogs listing (edited by our very own pinkspace):

    1-01 Thru The Cosmos [Apogee] 58:41
    2-01 Thru The Cosmos [Perigee] 60:36

    Track duration on my discs are:

    Thru The Cosmos [Apogee] - 60:36
    Thru The Cosmos [Perigee] - 60:29

    Track times on all the other recently received Echospace releases follow what is listed. Anyone know what is going on here?
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    So this mean that i have Perigee track on the two cds!
  • HellZat over 5 years ago

    Rip them to an audio file and look in an editor to see if the same. I had to do this with one of the other 2CD release (forget which one) as the times were the same, but the audio was different.
  • pinkspace over 5 years ago

    I went and looked and apparently i got the runtime i submitted from the disc faces themselves. My two discs are most definitely different pieces of music though, like Cole posted...
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    italdub edited over 5 years ago
    HellZat
    Rip them to an audio file and look in an editor to see if the same. I had to do this with one of the other 2CD release (forget which one) as the times were the same, but the audio was different.


    Yes but they sound similar at the same moment i selected for a listenning comparation. Then the computer said that i have already download it when i try to read the second cd...but i only downloaded the first one previously.

    And they are both 60mn and 29sec.
  • pinkspace over 5 years ago

    ^^yeah, that sounds like an actual pressing error. I'd email the label to make them aware, they may not know about it yet! I'm certain they will make it right for you.
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    Hello Brian, i emailed the label yesterday and i received a nice reply from Eva. They will send another copy ASAP. This is a mispressing, yes. This can happen.
    I remember the first Upwelling double cd album on ZEECC (what a label!). The cd 2 was missing...
    Even with a good care something can happen.
    So i'm perhaps the only one with a mispressing copy of Thru The Cosmos!
  • HellZat over 5 years ago

    Good to know, will check out once my copy arrives. Thanks.
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    It's not finished!
    Pyralis and Sequential Sleep (Modular) have the same duration as written on the cds and Discogs. However they are the same tracks on the 2 cds...
  • dreamstatesounds over 5 years ago

    dreamstatesounds edited over 5 years ago
    That is strange, seems as though they are the same. Emailed the label, guess we'll see.
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    60mn12s each track. I don't know which is recorded twice between Pyralis and Modular Mix...
  • livingwithope over 5 years ago

    Maybe things will get cleared up a bit when the digital files are released?
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    Coincidently, the two tracks are officially anouced with the same 60mn12s lenght, so it's more dificult to see which one is mispressed: "Pyralis" or "Sequential Sleep"...
  • mfakanemo over 5 years ago

    well, the Sequential Sleep CD arrived, and I have two different tracks in different length on both CDs.
    now I will wait for the Pyralis and Thru the Cosmos CDs. ...
  • dreamstatesounds over 5 years ago

    seems like the audio from pyralis is mixed up with sequential sleep disk 2?
  • pinkspace over 5 years ago

    Holy shit.
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    italdub edited over 5 years ago
    dreamstatesounds
    seems like the audio from pyralis is mixed up with sequential sleep disk 2?


    That it's! At least on my copy.

    pinkspace
    Holy shit.


    You said it

    And with my mispressed copy of Thru The Cosmos, i'm lucky (if you remember the previous posts some weeks ago i was reluctatnt to buy them then i changed my mind. I figure that i bought a late or a second batch). I remember also the mispelling on Sequential disks and the postponed Vortexuals,
  • livingwithope over 5 years ago

    So what do we do?
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    livingwithope
    So what do we do?


    I'll sip a double cognac right now. Then i wait for an Echospace reply. I had one for Thru The Cosmos, now i wait for the Sequential/Pyralis mispressing answer.
  • TapeHissMakesMeHappy over 5 years ago

    Am I the only one who doesn't think they have a mispressing?

    Pyralis: 60:12
    SS Granular: 60:19
    SS Modular: 60:13
    TTC Apogee: 60:36
    TTC Perigee: 60:29

    Each track is different sounding too... hmmm
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    TapeHissMakesMeHappy
    Am I the only one who doesn't think they have a mispressing?

    Pyralis: 60:12
    SS Granular: 60:19
    SS Modular: 60:13
    TTC Apogee: 60:36
    TTC Perigee: 60:29

    Each track is different sounding too... hmmm


    Thanks for the informations. If i refer to your tracks durations, I have Pyralis instead of SS Modular. Then TTC Perigee instead of Apogee.
  • phonaut over 5 years ago

    My Pyralis and SS Modular Mix are the same in sound and duration
  • Wanterkeelt over 5 years ago

    phonaut
    My Pyralis and SS Modular Mix are the same in sound and duration


    Same problem here. That's really bad. I hope they'll replace them with the correct ones.
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    I'm sorry to said that but i feel better now that we are together in the same boat!
    It means that i'm not crazy after all.

    It would be easier and cheaper for echospace to replace the cdrs incriminated only and not all the package.

    A question: are the Vortexuals posponed for mispressing problems checked before the shipping?

    Another question: how many people concerned by mispressing is listenning the same tracks without realising it?:)
  • pinkspace over 5 years ago

    I've not noticed if I have the Pyralis mispress because I just run a looping playlist of all my Variant tracks for days on end in my bedroom. I tend to absorb this stuff better that way, all zonked in my bed. Will have to check more closely when I'm in the studio again.
  • mfakanemo over 5 years ago

    mfakanemo edited over 5 years ago
    what is really confusing for me: Pyralis and SS Granular Mix have the same length according to discogs. from my SS CD, i ripped the tracks and it says 62:18 for the Granular Mix and 60:12 for the Modular Mix as stated on the backside of the wallet.

    is the Pyralis CD also really 60:12 ? this would be a nice coincidence but ok, it is possible, as long as the content of the track is different. i don't believe in the fact that Pyralis and SS Modular Mix have been produced with the same length, but .. .does nobody have the correct Pyralis CD with the correct track length and can correct this on discogs meanwhile?
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    TapeHissMakesMeHappy
    Am I the only one who doesn't think they have a mispressing?

    Pyralis: 60:12
    SS Granular: 60:19
    SS Modular: 60:13
    TTC Apogee: 60:36
    TTC Perigee: 60:29

    Each track is different sounding too... hmmm


    mfakanemo
    what is really confusing for me: Pyralis and SS Granular Mix have the same length according to discogs. from my SS CD, i ripped the tracks and it says 62:18 for the Granular Mix and 60:12 for the Modular Mix as stated on the backside of the wallet.

    is the Pyralis CD also really 60:12 ? this would be a nice coincidence but ok, it is possible, as long as the content of the track is different. i don't believe in the fact that Pyralis and SS Modular Mix have been produced with the same length, but .. .does nobody have the correct Pyralis CD with the correct track length and can correct this on discogs meanwhile?


    According to the previous post, Modular (60mn13) is 1 sec more longer than Pyralis (60mn12)...
  • mfakanemo over 5 years ago

    mfakanemo edited over 5 years ago
    ahh ok. thank you, good to know.
    so.. yeah. lets wait for the arrival of my CDs... we'll see
  • mfakanemo over 5 years ago

    but.. this means the SS track is wrong? because when SS Modular should be 60:13, but is indeed 60:12 ripped from CD, it also can be the other way around? so, the Pyralis is on the cd instead of the Modular. And the Modular is on the Pyralis CD ?
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    Regarding my copies, Pyralis is recorded also on Modular...
  • aortomus over 5 years ago

    Has anyone geeked out and checked the spectrals?
  • TapeHissMakesMeHappy over 5 years ago

    IMHO a digital release by the label would be appropriate at this juncture both for clarification purposes and as a reparation for those who purchased physical copies of the music and received mispressings, redundant tracks, variable run times, and typos on their products..

    Even if the pressing plant is at fault here, the label is still losing face. At the very least a brief email missive to address the current mess would be appreciated.
  • browna over 5 years ago

    Just checked all my CDs and I have the same problem! The modular mix on SS is also what I have on the Pyralis CD.
    I have sent an email to echospace explaining my problem so hopefully it will be sorted!,
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    browna
    Just checked all my CDs and I have the same problem! The modular mix on SS is also what I have on the Pyralis CD.
    I have sent an email to echospace explaining my problem so hopefully it will be sorted!,


    Is your 'Thru The Cosmos' copy ok? My copy have the Perigee track on the 2 cds...
  • browna over 5 years ago

    ^^^ my thru the cosmos CDs are absolutely fine though. This is an amazing album!!!
  • cighah over 5 years ago

    Wanterkeelt
    phonautMy Pyralis and SS Modular Mix are the same in sound and duration

    Same problem here. That's really bad. I hope they'll replace them with the correct ones.


    Thanks for pointing this out. It's the same for me.
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    Ok so until today i'm the only one with the Thru The Cosmos mispressing...
  • mfakanemo over 5 years ago

    mfakanemo edited over 5 years ago
    yes, but its going to be really crazy. now we have people in this thread here and all the last three releases are affected: one person has a wrong Pyralis, another person a wrong Sequential Sleep, and now also Thru the Cosoms has an issue. Echospace will show a reaction , I am sure. I think, Echospace knows the problem and that something went totally wrong with all those CDs.
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    italdub edited over 5 years ago
    Actually i think that Pyralis is ok: Thru The Ciosmos and Sequential Sleep are concerned.
    Then the forum was too quiet these last months, now we have new pages to write!
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    Received a reply 2 mn ago:
    We have been working diligently to get to the bottom of this situation. It has been brought to our attention by customers and going over log reports, it looks like all of the copies were duplicated with the wrong file by our archaic Disk Makers duplication tower. Our sincerest apologies. We discovered the source of the problem was a faulty hard drive. The hard drive was corrupted and ripped the wrong content, it was relabeling files and creating redundant ISO and BIN's (disk images) renaming over the same file source without our knowledge. We have now replaced the hard drive and will be duplicating the CD's over the weekend after Disk Makers tech support send us the new OS to get this unit functional again. You will receive a replacement copy with your next shipment. For now, the digital files will be available this evening. Apologies for any confusion.

    You are indeed correct, "Pyralis" is in fact the Disk 2 content of Sequential Sleep, it was still stored when we duplicated to send the pressing plant, it essentially used the same audio but renamed the file with the same content! We're so frustrated right now... :(

    We also held on Sequential Sleep as we were back and forth with the pressing plant about the proof's as an earlier version was used instead of the revised one. We're still not sure how this happened BUT to our dismay there isn't much we can do about it at this stage as it's already been shipped and paid for. Given the small amount run and the substantial cost it was to manufacture, it would put us in a serious financial hole to run this entire job again and the plant aren't taking responsibility for it. They agreed to replace the vortexual CD's as they came in without the custom floods/knockouts on the disk faces which we pay quite a bit more to have done and it's part of the artwork and vision of the project. Going back and forth with the pressing plant on those wasn't easy, it took nearly 3 weeks of debate and conversation to get them to replace the jobs. That's the last time we'll be working with them on any project, this truly has been a nightmare for us but trust we're doing all we can to rectify this.

    Thanks again for your warm support Jerome, greatly appreciated on this end!

    Warm Wishes and have a lovely weekend,
    Eva
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    Well i need time to understand what happen but Echospace crew is in a bad situation unfortunately:

    2ND Part with Eva's words:

    I'm in the process of contacting all the customers who purchased pyralis as this project is actually disk 2 of sequential sleep. The files were somehow mixed up on the hard drive of our duplicator, it was corrupted. We have replaced it and will be running replacement CD's of Pyralis which we'll send with your next parcel.

    Thanks again for your understanding and loyal support, it means the world to Stephen and I.

    Warm Wishes & have a great weekend!
    Eva
  • Wanterkeelt over 5 years ago

    Ok, so they identified the problem and will send us a replacement disk. Sounds good.
  • browna over 5 years ago

    Got the same generic email response. So what happens with the second part of SS?? Do we just not get a replacement??
  • seagater over 5 years ago

    browna
    ^^^ my thru the cosmos CDs are absolutely fine though. This is an amazing album!!!


    +1
  • player over 5 years ago

    Got my CDs. Played both Pyralis and Sequential Sleep CD2.

    Pyralis is SS CD2.
  • pinkspace over 5 years ago

    Damn, poor Steve. What a nightmare. For what it's worth, I'm not in a hurry to have the physical replacements, so long as i have correct digital files to hold me over...
  • treeant over 5 years ago

    Couple of things - firstly amazed that anyone noticed duplication of a track. He's been doing it for years, just adds a word to the title and makes it longer sticks on leopard skin vinyl and overprices it and they fly out like hot cakes consistently get 5 star reviews. So gotta wonder if they was just checking if anyone was actually listening! Love that people have to look at the file to know if they got a different song - c'mon guys that just ain't right.
    Secondly not that surprising that yet again Steve and Echospace make a complete balls up of the process from artist to listener. In all my years of buying and listening I cannot think of another single artist or label that fails to deliver on such a consistent basis - piss up and brewery come to mind. Enjoy the (duplicated) tunes or maybe just stick your old releases on random you won't tell the difference either which way. x
  • player over 5 years ago

    Agree^ do seem to get high 5 on every release and over credited with high 5's a bit to often! Alsio with too many releases far to quick with similar sounding formulas.
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    I understand your respective positions. Many things were done to improve Echospace's service these last 2 years. I mean that a recording label like this one must be professionnal on every aspects: communication, control quality etc...
    I prefer to see Stephen trying to run his label and see him releasing music after all, even if there are some problems. How many artists i love are not releasing music because they don't rule their own production or at least 1 album every 10 years when they find a label on another structure! I think also about Rhythm & Sound defunct label or Mr Cloudy...
    Brian Grainger (Coppice Halifax) is on this forum and he's one of the best exemple of an artist aware of the marketing and artistic strategy (in addition of being an exceptional musician). I'm curious if he shares about his own experience with Spethen (as i see a Milieu Music influence on Echospace development since around 2011).
  • cighah over 5 years ago

    I just discovered a new problem:
    1 min and 02 sec into "Land of the Low Flying Clouds" there is a clearly audible "glitch" on my CD.
    Could anybody please check if they have the same problem on their copy of that CD?
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    cighah
    I just discovered a new problem:
    1 min and 02 sec into "Land of the Low Flying Clouds" there is a clearly audible "glitch" on my CD.
    Could anybody please check if they have the same problem on their copy of that CD?


    Me too, but nothing bad...
  • pinkspace over 5 years ago

    italdub
    Brian Grainger (Coppice Halifax) is on this forum and he's one of the best exemple of an artist aware of the marketing and artistic strategy (in addition of being an exceptional musician). I'm curious if he shares about his own experience with Spethen (as i see a Milieu Music influence on Echospace development since around 2011).


    I appreciate the vote of confidence, thank you. Though really, what's happening to Steve right now can happen (and has) to any label that duplicates their own discs. I have an old Imation D20 duplicator, and two five-disc dupe towers, and I've had strange burning errors and software fallout with them from time to time. It sucks, but this is ultimately one of the biggest downsides to doing almost everything yourself, although in Steve's case even Discmakers jobs have gone bad. I had enough bad experiences with them back when David Tagg and I were still running Install, that I've only used places like Mixonic and Easydisc since then for pro jobs. Cheaper, and from what I can tell, the same or better quality. Discmakers outsources all of their short run jobs to other companies anyway, this is why they are so shit when something goes wrong, and why there never seems to be any consistency unless you're pressing 1000+.

    And anyway, Treeant, I'd challenge you to immediately identify the same material played back in the first week of listening, on any longform ambient record with multiple hour long tracks. Hell even a lot of techno records going back decades would give you a challenge there, if the runtime is long enough and you're not skipping any tracks... I'd say everyone's ears are pretty good considering they worked out that something was wrong within only a few days of the music landing on their doorsteps.

    Having had a lot of money go into this label, and even more time and energy devoted to these releases, I think it's best said that the highs in Echospace, for me, are so beyond the normal levels of gratifying listening, that it completely overshadows the lows like these technical errors, or lengthy shipping waits. As ever, it's your money and time so what you personally get out of that is up to you.
  • aortomus over 5 years ago

    pinkspace
    I think it's best said that the highs in Echospace...are so beyond the normal levels of gratifying listens...


    Yes. This.
  • cighah over 5 years ago

    italdub
    cighah
    I just discovered a new problem:
    1 min and 02 sec into "Land of the Low Flying Clouds" there is a clearly audible "glitch" on my CD.
    Could anybody please check if they have the same problem on their copy of that CD?

    Me too, but nothing bad...


    I don't know, man. I'm paying $18.00 USD for a faulty CD-R. Slightly absurd, if you ask me.
  • seagater over 5 years ago

    seagater edited over 5 years ago
    I am not hearing any sort of glitch on my copy, It must be your CD itself, maybe there's a scratch? I've listened to this album the most of all the new stuff I received and all I hear is some sort of field recording at this measure. It sounds like wind blowing and the crackling of fire or something. This project is my personal favorite of all the new material, it's really beautiful from start to finish.
  • dreamstatesounds over 5 years ago

    My copy plays fine, not a single glitch.
  • cighah over 5 years ago

    cighah edited over 5 years ago
    seagater
    I am not hearing any sort of glitch on my copy, It must be your CD itself, maybe there's a scratch?


    Thanks for checking, guys. On my copy all sound drops away for half a second. So it's definitely just my copy which is faulty. Phew...
  • italdub over 5 years ago

    italdub edited over 5 years ago
    cighah
    italdubcighah
    I just discovered a new problem:
    1 min and 02 sec into "Land of the Low Flying Clouds" there is a clearly audible "glitch" on my CD.
    Could anybody please check if they have the same problem on their copy of that CD?

    Me too, but nothing bad...

    I don't know, man. I'm paying $18.00 USD for a faulty CD-R. Slightly absurd, if you ask me.


    I mean, on my copy this is a micro glich only, not as bad as your (little more than the click & cuts musical background). I noticed it after reading your message.
    So you have the right to ask for a replacement to the label. That's said, this CV313 Live is a killer album, a very nice and dynamic set.

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