Bug: Subform forces to place 'The' at end of artistname, even when not correct

Dohnányi* / Rachmaninoff* – Abbey Simon Piano, Willem Van Otterloo Conducting The Hague Philharmonic Orchestra* - Variations On A Nursery Song / Rhapsody On A Theme Of Paganini

I can't submit this (correctly).

"The Hague" is a city name. ("Den Haag" in Dutch)
So it has to be "The Hague Philharmonic Orchestra"
Not: "Hague Philharmonic Orchestra, The"
Or, where it would appear: "The Hague Philharmonic Orchestra, The" (would appear as The The Hague Philharmonic Orchestra) (not very probable to appear anywhere I think:)

quick wiki reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hague
website of the city in English: http://en.denhaag.nl/en.htm

Different other entries are currently entered incorrectly, and can't correct them either...

$bump$

same problem:
Orthel* / H. Andriessen* - Piccola Sinfonia / Ricercare + Kuhnau-variations

marcelrecords
same problem:

Really needs a fix, but nothing much to discuss about in fact, I'm going for the support request.
Quite annoying having that one waiting in draft... (didn't find it in my collection & submission today, before I remembered it was probably the bugged one...)

I've put a space in front of the ANV for the moment, don't intend to do a waiting job. Most system changes take at least a few days, sometimes a bit longer:)

I have noted this error check and the issues with it at http://wiki.discogs.com/index.php/Dev-Submission-Form-Error-Checks-Table . We will change this when we do the new submission form, sorry for any complications in the meantime.

nik
We will change this when we do the new submission form, sorry for any complications in the meantime.

no problem, as long as it gets fixed sooner or later!
thnx!

Would it be possible to simply ditch the "The-at-the-end-of-artist-name" rule altogether? I think it has been discussed before.

0frg
Would it be possible to simply ditch the "The-at-the-end-of-artist-name" rule altogether?

imagine a phonebook where every name was filed under 'M' for Mr or Miss

;)

nerdfly
imagine a phonebook where every name was filed under 'M' for Mr or Miss

Like ORange Country phonebooks with "Tran"?

Seriously, though, there are ways that many other databases use for ignoring the leading "The" (and in some cases other leading prepositions like "A"). It's antiquated to use a trailing ", The" in names.

nerdfly

imagine a phonebook where every name was filed under 'M' for Mr or Miss

;)

it would only be a problem if you tried browsing artists alphabetically... Personally I never do and I don't think many people do (TBH I don't know if it's still even possible!)

cellularsmoke
It's antiquated to use a trailing ", The" in names.

Antiquated, counterintuitive, confusing for collaboration artists (should you enter "Artist 1, The & Artist 2" or "Artist 1 & Artist 2, The"? When you see "Artist 1 & Artist 2, The" is the "The" supposed to be before Artist 1 or Artist 2?)

AFAIK that rule was indeed originally introduced for sorting purposes and database balancing(?). I think none of these are still concerns to date.

0frg
I think none of these are still concerns to date.

With the discogs search engine I'm not so sure about that ;)

0frg
Personally I never do and I don't think many people do (TBH I don't know if it's still even possible!)

It is possible - http://www.discogs.com/explore/artists/T

0frg
Would it be possible to simply ditch the "The-at-the-end-of-artist-name" rule altogether? I think it has been discussed before.

I hate the rule, and would love to zap it at the earliest opportunity. Unfortunately, it is non-trivial to do that :-(

There is a way where 'The' can be ignored in sorting, but it will pose the same bug as with the forced error. It will sort names with 'The Hague' under 'H' instead of 'T'...
The only way out would be a manual list of exceptions (non-trivial stuff indeed...)