• MJG196 over 6 years ago

    RE: http://www.discogs.com/Led-Zeppelin-Led-Zeppelin-II/release/3894026

    The current entry has the following info:

    Matrix / Runout: Side One: ST-A-69167I-Y
    Matrix / Runout: Side Two: ST-A-691672-Y
    Label Code: Side One/Label: ST-A-691671 SP
    Label Code: Side Two/Label: ST-A-691672 SP
    Other: SRC logo

    My copy has:

    Side One: + SLMΔ1977 ST-A-691671 Z B-14604-Z SP 0-1
    Side Two: + SLMΔ1977X ST-A-691672-Z B-14605 0-1
    Label Code: Side One/Label: ST-A-691671 SP
    Label Code: Side Two/Label: ST-A-691672 SP
    No SRC logo

    Everything else matches perfectly. Should this be a new pressing to the database?
  • yuhann over 6 years ago

    yuhann edited over 6 years ago
    MJG196
    Should this be a new pressing to the database?

    One could be a repress of the other, see related thread here > http://www.discogs.com/help/forums/topic/355296

    In any case those 'ST-A-691671 SP' and 'ST-A-691672 SP' numbers are 'label matrix numbers', not 'label codes'.

    These need to be entered more or less like:
    Matrix / Runout (Label, Side A): ST-A-691671 SP
    Matrix / Runout (Label, Side B): ST-A-691672 SP

    This is what a Label Code (LC) looks like
    > http://www.westblockmusic.com/images/logo_labelcode_LC-22943_150x60.jpg

    It's a common identifier found on European releases since the 1980s, and has an entirely different purpose.

  • MJG196 over 6 years ago

    So mine SHOULD be a new entry then?
  • swagski over 6 years ago

    No expert, but the SLMΔ1977 prefix suggests this may be a Monarch pressing (MΔ), subsequent to a Specialty pressing (the SP suffix) shown in the runouts
  • Kergillian over 6 years ago

    According the the runout groove thread:

    SLM △
    S, H or HS? S, H
    Add a company: Mastered at Sheffield Lab Matrix
    Add a note: "SLM △" in the runout etching indicates that the lacquer disc was processed at, and the metal parts used to manufacture the record were made at Sheffield Lab Matrix.
    Location Link: None
    Example: Dial-M* - Modern Day Love / House Of Joy

    >>>As such yours is definitely a different pressing and should be a new version.
  • MJG196 over 6 years ago

    That 's why I come to the forums...for the experts!
  • MJG196 over 6 years ago

  • djindio over 6 years ago

    djindio edited over 6 years ago
    MJG196
    So mine SHOULD be a new entry then?

    In this case yes:

    MJG196
    Matrix / Runout: Side One: ST-A-69167I-Y
    Matrix / Runout: Side Two: ST-A-691672-Y
    Label Code: Side One/Label: ST-A-691671 SP
    Label Code: Side Two/Label: ST-A-691672 SP
    Other: SRC logo

    This one was both processed and pressed by Specialty Records Corporation, also see the embossed lettering in the label area around the center hole "E A S T" which also confirms to be a Specialty pressing.

    MJG196
    My copy has:

    Side One: + SLMΔ1977 ST-A-691671 Z B-14604-Z SP 0-1
    Side Two: + SLMΔ1977X ST-A-691672-Z B-14605 0-1
    Label Code: Side One/Label: ST-A-691671 SP
    Label Code: Side Two/Label: ST-A-691672 SP
    No SRC logo


    The "ST-A-691671 & ST-A-691672" matrix numbers indicate that the master tape used is dated 1969:
    ST = Stereo
    A = Code for the label: Atlantic
    69 = Year of the Master tape.
    1671 & 1672 = Master tape #s.

    The "SLM △1977-X" etching dates the master discs to no earlier than 1981:
    http://www.discogs.com/lists/SLM-0000-SLM-0000-X-Sheffield-Lab-Matrix-etching/124567

    The "B-14604 / B-14605" etchings also date the master discs to no earlier than 1981:
    http://www.discogs.com/lists/B-00000-B-00001-Allied-Record-Company-etchings/124327

    This one was processed at Sheffield Lab Matrix and the metal parts used to press the record were actually originally made for use at Allied Record Company. BUT at the moment, it could be either a Specialty pressing (which uses metal parts/stampers originally made for use at Allied Record Company) OR could be an Allied pressing which uses leftover labels originally intended for the Specialty pressing. Is there any embossed lettering around the center hole in the label area on one side? NOTE that the embossed lettering can be faint & almost invisible at first look.

    1.) A lone "A" embossed in the label area like this would indicate it was pressed at Allied Record Company.

    2.) An "E A S T" embossed around the center hole like this would indicate it was pressed at Specialty Records Corporation (sourced from metal parts that were originally made for use at Allied Record Company based on the etchings). NOTE that usually the "T" is the most visible, sometimes the only really visible letter.

    The lack of the embossed lettering could indicate one of the following:

    a.) The embossed lettering could be simply to faint to be seen.

    b.) The record could be a much later repressing which uses leftover parts from both Allied (the metal mother which the stampers were made from) and Specialty (the center labels used) but could have actually been pressed at a 3rd party pressing plant (such as Music Connection, Inc.)...
  • MJG196 over 6 years ago


    djindio
    Is there any embossed lettering around the center hole in the label area on one side? NOTE that the embossed lettering can be faint & almost invisible at first look.

    1.) A lone "A" embossed in the label area like this would indicate it was pressed at Allied Record Company.

    2.) An "E A S T" embossed around the center hole like this would indicate it was pressed at Specialty Records Corporation (sourced from metal parts that were originally made for use at Allied Record Company based on the etchings). NOTE that usually the "T" is the most visible, sometimes the only really visible letter.


    On side two, the "E" and "T" are visible. So should I leave the year empty?
  • djindio over 6 years ago

    djindio edited over 6 years ago
    MJG196
    On side two, the "E" and "T" are visible.

    Ok then the pressing plant equals:
    Pressed By - Specialty Records Corporation

    MJG196
    So should I leave the year empty?

    Discogs community manager ( nik) has stated recently that it is ok to use the original release date of the particular 'edition' (even for repressings of that edition). Even though it's a Specialty repressing of a 1981 Allied pressing, that 1981 Allied pressing was part of, and an extension of, the 1977 reissue 'edition', so as determined by nik it's fine to use the original release date of the 'edition' that this pressing is an extension of. Note that both Specialty & Allied were part of the same company at the time as well.
  • MJG196 over 6 years ago

    Thanks a lot for helping me out.

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