Creel Pone

Creel Pone

Profile:
US bootleg CDR label run by Keith Fullerton Whitman, focused on early electroacoustic & experimental recordings for research purposes. Each release is a limited facsimile edition with a silver foil-stamp on the crystal-clear resealable polypropylene compact-disc sleeve. 100 of these reproductions have been scheduled without "having anything to do with money but just [as] a way for pure and great art both in vision & sound to prosper and be discovered a new."
Originally the label was run by KFW under disguise, using the name Pieter Christophssen aka Mr. P.C./C.P (also associated with DJ Hekla through an email address) and stating that the label is based in Iceland. But later Whitman openly admitted his involvement.
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Cat#  Artist Title (Format) Label Cat#  Country Year
001 Thomas Hamilton* Pieces For Kohn(CDr, Unofficial) Creel Pone 001 US 2005 Sell This Version
002 Pierre Henry Mise En Musique Du Corticalart De Roger Lafosse(CDr, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 002 US 2005 Sell This Version
03 Various Magyar Elektronikus Zene: Hungarian Electronic Music(CD, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 03 US 2005 Sell This Version
04 Herbert Eimert Epitaph Für Aikichi Kuboyama(CDr) Creel Pone 04 US 2005 Sell This Version
05 Conrad Schnitzler & Gregor Schnitzler Conrad Schnitzler & Gregor Schnitzler - Conrad & Sohn(CDr, Album, Unofficial) Creel Pone 05 US 2005 Sell This Version
06 Salvatore Martirano L's GA - Ballad - Octet(CDr) Creel Pone 06 US 2005 Sell This Version
07 Bent Lorentzen Electronic Music(CDr, Unofficial, Ltd, Album) Creel Pone 07 US 2005 Sell This Version
08 Oskar Sala / Harald Genzmer Oskar Sala / Harald Genzmer - Électronique Et Stéréophonie: Musique Spatiale(CDr, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 08 US 2005 Sell This Version
009 Reinhold Weber (2) Elektronische Musik(CDr, Unofficial) Creel Pone 009 US 2005 Sell This Version
10 Various Anthology Of Dutch Electronic Tape Music: Volume 1 (1955-1966)(2xCDr, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 10 US 2005 Sell This Version
12 Tod Dockstader Recorded Music For Film, Radio & Television: Electronic Vol. 1(CDr, Album, Unofficial) Creel Pone 12 US 2005 Sell This Version
13 Vaclav Nelhybel Electronic Music(CDr, Album, Unofficial) Creel Pone 13 US 2005 Sell This Version
14 Various Carrefour (Musique Electro-Acoustique / Electroacoustic Music - Canada)(CDr, Ltd, RE, Unofficial) Creel Pone 14 US 2005 Sell This Version
15 Edward M. Zajda Independant Electronic Music Composer(CDr, Unofficial) Creel Pone 15 US 2005 Sell This Version
16 Zanagoria Insight Modulation(CDr) Creel Pone 16 US 2005 Sell This Version
17 Various Iowa Ear Music(CDr, Comp, Unofficial) Creel Pone 17 US 2005 Sell This Version
18 George Engler The Inside Of The Outside / Or The Outside Of The Inside - Who Are They? Where Do They Come From? Why Are They Here?(CDr, Album, Ltd, RE, Unofficial) Creel Pone 18 US 2005 Sell This Version
19 Philippe Arthuys Le Crabe Qui Jouait Avec La Mer(CDr, Unofficial) Creel Pone 19 US 2005 Sell This Version
020 Various Anthology Of Dutch Electronic Tape Music: Volume 2 (1966-1977)(2xCDr, Comp, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone, Creel Pone 020 US 2005 Sell This Version
22 Cellutron & The Invisible Reflecting On The First Watch, We Uncover Treasure Buried For The Blind(CDr, Unofficial) Creel Pone 22 US 2005 Sell This Version
23 Josef Anton Riedl Josef Anton Riedl(CDr, Unofficial, Ltd) Creel Pone 23 US 2005 Sell This Version
24 Warren Jepson* Totentanz(CDr, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 24 US 2005 Sell This Version
25 Matsuo Ono w/ Takehisa Kosugi Matsuo Ono w/ Takehisa Kosugi - Roots Of Electronic Sound(CDr, RE, Ltd) Creel Pone 25 US 2005 Sell This Version
26 Solmaz Sporel & Ilhan Mimaroglu Solmaz Sporel & Ilhan Mimaroglu - Parmak Çocuk(CDr, EP, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 26 US 2005 Sell This Version
27 Morris Knight After Guernica(CDr, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 27 US 2006 Sell This Version
28 Gil Mellé The Andromeda Strain: Original Electronic Soundtrack(CDr, Unofficial) Creel Pone 28 US 2006 Sell This Version
29 Svend Christiansen & Fuzzy (4) Svend Christiansen & Fuzzy (4) - Urvarte - Noir - Blau (Electronic Music)(CDr, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 29 US 2006 Sell This Version
030 Jean-Claude Eloy Shànti(2xCDr, Unofficial) Creel Pone, Creel Pone 030 US 2006 Sell This Version
32 Jocy de Oliveira Estórias Para Voz, Instrumentos Acústicos e Eletrônicos(CDr, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 32 US 2006 Sell This Version
33 Pierre Henry Cortical Art III(CDr, Unofficial) Creel Pone 33 US 2006 Sell This Version
34 Various Greek Electronic Music - 1(CDr, Comp, Unofficial) Creel Pone 34 US 2006 Sell This Version
35 Luis De Pablo We (Nosotros)(CDr, Album, RE, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 35 US 2006 Sell This Version
36 Paul Boisselet Symphonie Rouge / Symphonie Jaune(CDr, Album, Ltd, RE, Unofficial) Creel Pone 36 US 2006 Sell This Version
37 Anestis Logothetis "Hör!-spiel" / Nekrologlog 1961 / Fantasmata 1960(CDr, Album, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 37 US 2006 Sell This Version
38 Dub Taylor (3) Lumière For Synthesized & Concrète Sound(CDr, Unofficial) Creel Pone 38 US 2006 Sell This Version
39 Various Electronic Music: Experimental Studios In Prague, Bratislava, Munich, University Of Illinois, Warsaw, Paris(CDr, Comp, Unofficial) Creel Pone 39 Iceland 2006 Sell This Version
040 Pietro Grossi Computer Music(2xCDr, Unofficial + CDr, Mini, Unofficial) Creel Pone, Creel Pone, Creel Pone 040 US 2006 Sell This Version
43 Bruno Menny Cosmographie(CDr, Unofficial) Creel Pone 43 US 2006 Sell This Version
44 Various Electronic Music University Of Melbourne(CDr, Comp, Unofficial) Creel Pone 44 US 2006 Sell This Version
45 Steve Birchall Reality Gates(CDr, Comp, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 45 US 2006 Sell This Version
46 Jon Appleton & Don Cherry Jon Appleton & Don Cherry - Human Music(CDr, Album, RE, Unofficial) Creel Pone 46 US 2006 Sell This Version
47 Ruth White Flowers Of Evil(CDr, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 47 US 2006 Sell This Version
48 Pythagoron™ Pythagoron Inc.(CDr, Album, Ltd, RE, Unofficial) Creel Pone 48 US 2006 Sell This Version
49 Bernard Bonnier Casse-tête(CDr) Creel Pone 49 US 2006 Sell This Version
050 Various New Zealand Electronic Music(2xCDr, Comp, Unofficial) Creel Pone, Creel Pone 050 US 2006 Sell This Version
52 Thorkell Sigurbjörnsson* La Jolla Good Friday I-II(CDr, Album, Ltd, RE, Unofficial) Creel Pone 52 US 2006 Sell This Version
53 Various Muziek In Vlaanderen(CDr, Comp, Unofficial) Creel Pone 53 US 2006 Sell This Version
54 Jürgen Karg Elektronische Mythen(CDr, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 54 US 2006 Sell This Version
55 Nino Nardini Musique Pour Le Futur(CDr, Album, Unofficial) Creel Pone 55 US 2006 Sell This Version
056 Various Creelpolation(3xCDr, Comp, Unofficial) Creel Pone, Creel Pone, Creel Pone 056 US 2006 Sell This Version
59 Max E. Keller / Martin Schwarzenlander Max E. Keller / Martin Schwarzenlander - Sozialistische Musiker Initiative(CDr, Album, Unofficial) Creel Pone 59 US 2006 Sell This Version
060 Various Musiques De L'O.N.F. / Music Of The N.F.B.: Volume 1(2xCDr, Comp, Unofficial) Creel Pone, Creel Pone 060 US 2006 Sell This Version
62 Tod Dockstader Recorded Music For Film, Radio & Television: Electronic Vol. 2(CDr, Album, Unofficial) Creel Pone 62 US 2006 Sell This Version
63 Jacques Lejeune Blanche Neige: Suite Musicale En 14 Tableaux De Jacques Lejeune Pour Dire Le Conte Et Danser Avec Les Enfants(CDr, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 63 US 2006 Sell This Version
64 The Electronic Music Club Of Edmonds Community College Iatrogenics(CDr, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 64 US 2006 Sell This Version
65 Musikautomatika Musikautomatika(CDr, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 65 US 2006 Sell This Version
66 H. Tical Impact Synthesized Sound And Music(CDr, Album, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 66 US 2006 Sell This Version
67 Almuro* Musiques Expérimentales(CDr, Unofficial) Creel Pone 67 US 2007 Sell This Version
68 Various Musica Electroacustica(CDr, Comp, Unofficial) Creel Pone 68 US 2007 Sell This Version
69 Gregory Jones (3) & Roy Sablosky Gregory Jones (3) & Roy Sablosky - No Imagination(CDr, Unofficial, RE) Creel Pone 69 US 2007 Sell This Version
070 Jean-Claude Eloy Gaku-No-Michi (Les Voies De La Musique)(2xCDr, Unofficial) Creel Pone, Creel Pone 070 US 2007 Sell This Version
72 Ruth White 7 Trumps From The Tarot Cards And Pinions(CDr, Album, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 72 US 2007 Sell This Version
73 Christian Clozier / Jacques Lejeune Christian Clozier / Jacques Lejeune - Lettre À Une Demoiselle(CDr, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 73 US 2007 Sell This Version
74 Cecil Leuter Spectacular Stereo Sounds(CDr, Album, Ltd, RE, Unofficial) Creel Pone 74 US 2007 Sell This Version
75 Denis Smalley The Pulses Of Time(CDr, RE, Unofficial) Creel Pone 75 US 2007 Sell This Version
76 Various From Czech Electronic Music Studios(CDr, Unofficial) Creel Pone 76 US 2007 Sell This Version
77 Emerson Meyers Provocative Electronics (Electronic Constructions On Traditional Forms)(CDr, Unofficial) Creel Pone 77 US 2007 Sell This Version
78 Costin Miereanu Luna Cinese(CDr, Album, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 78 US 2007 Sell This Version
79 Heins Hoffman-Richter Music To Freak Your Friends And Break Your Lease(CDr, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 79 US 2007 Sell This Version
080 Nik Pascal The Complete Narco Records & Tapes Recordings(2xCDr, Comp, Unofficial) Creel Pone, Creel Pone 080 US 2007 Sell This Version
82 John Pfeiffer Electronomusic — 9 Images(CDr, Album, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 82 US 2007 Sell This Version
83 Lorq Damon Journey To The Land Of Forgotten Dreams(CDr, Album, Ltd, RE, Unofficial) Creel Pone 83 US 2007 Sell This Version
84 Nicolas Schöffer Hommage À Bartók(CDr, Album, Ltd, RE) Creel Pone 84 US 2007 Sell This Version
85 Lucien Goethals / Louis De Meester Lucien Goethals / Louis De Meester - I.P.E.M.(CDr, Album, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 85 US 2008 Sell This Version
86 László Dubrovay "A2" / Oscillations Nos. 1-3(CDr, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 86 US 2008 Sell This Version
87 Günter Maas Klangbilder(CDr) Creel Pone 87 US 2008 Sell This Version
88 Daniel Arfib Musique Numérique(CDr, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 88 US 2008 Sell This Version
89 Lárus Halldór Grímsson / Thorsteinn Hauksson Lárus Halldór Grímsson / Thorsteinn Hauksson - Íslensk Raftónlist / Electronic Music From Iceland(CDr, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 89 US 2008 Sell This Version
090 Douglas Leedy Entropical Paradise(2xCDr, Unofficial) Creel Pone, Creel Pone 090 US 2008 Sell This Version
92 Michael Sahl Tropes On The Salve Regina(CDr, Album, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 92 US 2008 Sell This Version
93 Karel Appel Musique Barbare(CDr, Unofficial) Creel Pone 93 US 2009 Sell This Version
94 Various Música Electroacústica Mexicana(CDr, Comp, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 94 US 2009 Sell This Version
95 Rodolfo Caesar A Arte Dos Sons(CDr, Album, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 95 US 2009 Sell This Version
96 Giuliano Sorgini Elettroformule(CDr, Album, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 96 US 2009 Sell This Version
97 André Almuro L' Envol / Ambitus(CDr, Album, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 97 US 2009 Sell This Version
98 Michael Czajkowski People The Sky(CDr, Album, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 98 US 2009 Sell This Version
99 Reinhold Weber (2) Elektronische + Phonetische Kompositionen(CDr, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 99 US 2009 Sell This Version
100 Knud Viktor Images / Ambiances(2xCDr, Unofficial) Creel Pone, Creel Pone 100 US 2009 Sell This Version
102 Paul Boisselet Le Robot(CDr, Album, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 102 US 2009 Sell This Version
103 Gil Trythall Luxikon II / Echospace(CDr, Album, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 103 US 2009 Sell This Version
104 Parmegiani* / Mestres Quadreny* Parmegiani* / Mestres Quadreny* - Espaces Sonores No. 1(CDr, Album, Unofficial) Creel Pone 104 US 2009 Sell This Version
105 Tom Cameron (2) Music To Wash Dishes By(CDr, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 105 US 2010 Sell This Version
106 Klaus Ager Sondern Die Sterne Sinds(CDr, Unofficial, Ltd, Album) Creel Pone 106 US 2010 Sell This Version
107 Włodzimierz Kotoński Electronic And Instrumental Music(CDr, Album, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 107 US 2010 Sell This Version
108 Jonas Palm Ze Wörmnest(CDr, Album, Ltd, RE, Unofficial) Creel Pone 108 US 2010 Sell This Version
109 Romolo Grano Musica Elettronica 1(CDr, Album, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 109 US 2010 Sell This Version
110 Chris Swansen The Complete Badger Recordings(CDr, Unofficial) Creel Pone, Creel Pone 110 US 2010 Sell This Version
111 Henri Chopin Audiopoems(CDr, Album, Unofficial) Creel Pone 111 US 2010 Sell This Version
112 Seesselberg Synthetik 1(CDr, Album, Ltd, RE, Unofficial) Creel Pone 112 US 2010 Sell This Version
116 Peter Bonello / Cecil Leuter Peter Bonello / Cecil Leuter - Electronic Tricks(CDr, Album, Ltd, Unofficial) Creel Pone 116 US 2010 Sell This Version

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mdru

mdru

February 25, 2016
idc about the politics or economics of cd-r distro. i just know that this label has introduced me to lots of v v good stuff <3
mfontfreda

mfontfreda

March 27, 2015
edited about 1 year ago
Come on guys , let´s take it easy . CP titles are real ear openers and thanks to Mr. Whitman´s efforts
they no longer stay in the dark. That is something, I suppose.

I guess he has received more signs of appreciation for such efforts than lawsuits.
mimaroglu

mimaroglu

March 17, 2015
Hey guys; some great discussion here, but all oddly speculative. If you want answers, just ask - I'll gladly give full disclosure where needed.

The main talking points all appear to involve money; for the most part your calculations are naively oversimplified - "He's 42, he makes $23.8k a year - he has a million dollars !!!" New titles are, these days, generally in editions of 81 - that's three 25-count bundles of print-work w/ a 10% over-run. Of that, about 30-40 copies of each title are given away to the folks that have physically mailed in "Candidate" LPs, or have contributed information & research to the series thus far - the aforementioned "Cabal;" as essential to the program as anyone - or places that have written in asking after "Library Sets," radio stations, etc.

Right now about 10 different shops stock the line, then I end up selling maybe one bundle of each at retail via Mimaroglu over a few months. Massive time-commitment to all of the steps of the process - research, prep, manufacturing, distribution & dispersement. Still burning & printing & assembling each copy one at a time, still doing all of the audio restoration & image-prep myself. You can re-do the math with these new variables plugged in as you see fit, but invariably the dealer from whom I'm buying an original copy of a given title at market value is profiting greater than I will personally from its reproduction.

While I agree that there's no need to have a Creel Pone listing here on Discogs - no more so than having one for virtually everyone's teenage home dub or love-sick mix-tape - I find all of this hate a bit mind-boggling. We're at the point in time where it's completely legal to manufacture a Beatles LP under European copyright & market / distribute it as you see fit - yet here's a fair amount of animosity wrapped up in an extremely humble program to push mostly obscure examples of early, interesting electronic music back into the canon in an extremely modest fashion. The proper reissue rate is about 25%, which I'm extremely happy with - just this month someone wrote asking if it was ok if they used the C.P. master & scans for a reissue of something for which the tapes were long gone - of course I was more than glad to hand everything over. Even the GRM ended up reissuing a piece on one of those "Traces" compilations from their own archives that had been brought to light via the C.P. of the impossible-to-find original LP.

I can only justify Creel Pone's continued existence as I can't wholly condemn it; they get people talking & they turn people on to music that I'm very passionate about. The idea to keep them purely in the physical realm is a personal one; I have no doubts that anyone born 10 years later would do things very differently, but there are myriad places in this world that can be reached by physical objects that the dark corners of the internet will never touch.
steve.delvecchio.56

steve.delvecchio.56

March 15, 2015
Bootlegs do not encourage official releases. (Vinyl reproduction these days is mostly a business model/marketing scam , with the music/art aspect often a distant, secondary consideration in many cases.) If someone wants an original of almost any of the above, they can (as in my situation) pay anywhere from a buck or two to a few hundred dollars. I have made purchases on many of the above at both price extremes, many times.. And still, I have purchased quite a few Creel Pone pirated CD-rs. They are visually quite well done. Sonics are fairly good to excellent sound, in most instances. The tiny repro packaging is very aesthetically pleasing, quite cute and cuddly. (Physical collecting is mostly about fetish anyway.) By creating a marketing niche (bootleg sales), this individual (KFW) is able to partially/mostly? subsidize his distro sales and thereby increase market share in the very competitive, yet dwindling "experimental music" distro business. Yes, his methods amount to just another "business model."
pepsibobert

pepsibobert

February 10, 2015
Everybody else who has rare and long out of print releases in their collection (at least when it comes to avant-garde music) and who is not interested in selling their copies seems to do one of two things:
(1) Keep the releases to themselves, which IMO is clearly the correct decision, or
(2) Upload FREE downloadable links, either at a torrent or their own website, usually via blogspot.

This is the way it has been for years. So what motivation, aside from financial gain, does this person have for putting these releases out in physical form? Clearly it’s not for altruistic reasons. And he gets away with it because it’s not cost-effective for any of the artists or labels to sue for copyright infringement, even though on the surface they would seem to have an open and shut case.

If the artist and/or the label can’t profit from their art, I don’t understand why someone with a fancy record collection and thousands of blank CDRs should either. The assertions at the CP website that these bootlegs are “more expensive to produce than they are sold for”, and that this isn’t done for money, are utterly laughable.
EricLanzillotta

EricLanzillotta

February 2, 2015
Let's do some math here. Even if you use the highest quality CDRs, say Taiyo Uden gold, you are still paying less than 50 cents per disc, probably a lot less when you buy large quantities at once. Inkjet covers are probably less that one dollar even using nice stock and expensive ink. Resealable plastic bags cost very little, around 5 cents each. Keith has been selling these discs for $10 each. Originally they were claimed to be editions of 50. Then editions of 100. Now no edition size is mentioned and early "sold out" titles have been reappearing on his site. So he is probably making more than 100 of some titles. If a title gets yanked because it gets an official release or a complaint from the artist, the discs are removed from the site, but still sold. I have seen a record store get re-stocked on several long deleted titles. The highest catalog number on the Mimaroglu site right now is CP 176. A handful of titles were double discs and one was triple. Say we round down to 150 titles for the sake of argument and that he really does only sell 50 copies of each. That is $75,000 retail. Even with a liberal cost of $2 per unit, that clears $60,000. If we think he sold 100 of each instead of 50, that brings it to around $120,000 profit. Of course copies are sold wholesale for around $6 to $7.50, but I haven't seen many other people offering these titles and I think I more than compensate that by figuring only 150 single disc titles instead of 176. (Even if you did count only 150 titles selling 50 copies at $6 each, that is still $45,000.) And again that is not taking into account there they may be more than 100 copies of some titles, which makes sense considering that he stopped stating an edition size. This is very far from operating at a loss or break even point. This is making an awful lot of money from screwing over obscure artists. Some of them are indeed hard to track down, but there are plenty that aren't. I don't buy into the idea that these bootlegs encourage official reissues, but believe that it probably harms them more as it means less of an official reissue will sell, and artists and label will think that there is no room for an official issue if someone is already selling a bootlegged version. Other than Keith's bank account, I don't think this label is to anyone's advantage.
ttooyyss

ttooyyss

July 26, 2013
edited over 3 years ago
I'm a CD-writer/writing audio engineer! So I know what is CD-writing is about technically. First of all: there's only a hadful of people who can burn quality CD-Rs. Then: Many of the CD-R material is very unreliable and will not stand the time and the pits/lands will simply corrodate and the music will get lost within a time. I've tested many CD-R materials and even I have hounderds of CD-rs which can't be read anymore after a few years. So please look out! The music will be lost, unless it's written onto some REAL and not fake high-end CD-Rs as Verbatim Metal AZO for example. Last don't least: the writing method counts a lot. A 4x speed written CD-r will bring you terrible sonic distortions while auditioning it in real-time!!!!
plunderpunk

plunderpunk

May 15, 2012
edited over 4 years ago
ALL micro labels operate at either a loss or just break even.
Barry_Crumbcheeks

Barry_Crumbcheeks

May 5, 2012
Thing is, there HAVE been official rereleases of things that were booted here, post bootlegging. (I'm thinking of Conrad & Sohn, Jean-Clade Eloy, Dub Taylor* etc.). Perhaps the appearance of the boots has encouraged the offical reissue proccesses? You don't have to buy them, but perhaps they are involved just by their existence in the (re)appearance of legit versions?
(*which I have the official CD rereleases of. I don't have any Creel Pone boots, I just noticed they preceded those particular offical reissues...)
rrot

rrot

April 27, 2012
Why have Creel Pone on Discogs? Maybe because Discogs is about information, not opinion.

But, to engage the irrelevancy:

--I wonder, how much net $$ people imagine KFW has *made* from Creel Pone? I rather imagine it's been a net loss.

--I wonder, exactly from whom people imagine Creel Pone has "ripped off?" The artists who have been bootlegged?

Funny, then, that the first suggestion critics make is "free downloads"...

Since free downloads "rip off" the artist no less than CDRs, it sounds much more like whining -- "I want mine!"

(And, you know, the downloads are out there, yes...)