echospace [detroit]

echospace [detroit]

Profile:
Label based in Midwest US (Chicago/Detroit).
Distributed worldwide by Rubadub, Glasgow.
Sublabels
Contact Info:
info(at)rubadub(dot)co(dot)uk
+44 (0) 141 882 9900
Sites:
[l79724]

Label


Cat#  Artist Title (Format) Label Cat#  Country Year
001 CD LE Vantage Isle [Extended Edition]  album cover DeepChord Vantage Isle [Extended Edition](CDr, Ltd, Promo) echospace [detroit] 001 CD LE US 2007 Sell This Version
005 Grandbend  album cover DeepChord Grandbend 005 US 2007 Sell This Version
006 Spatialdimension  album cover Deepchord Present Echospace Deepchord Present Echospace - Spatialdimension 006 US 2007 Sell This Version
07 CD LE Intrusion / Reflection [ EP ]  album cover Intrusion Intrusion / Reflection [ EP ](CDr, EP, Comp, Ltd, Promo) echospace [detroit] 07 CD LE US 2014 Sell This Version
007CDLE-2 Intrusion / Reflection [Remastered + Reshaped]  album cover Intrusion Intrusion / Reflection [Remastered + Reshaped](CDr, Album, Ltd, Num) echospace [detroit] 007CDLE-2 US 2019 Sell This Version
010 Infinit-1  album cover cv313 Infinit-1 010 US 2010 Sell This Version
10CDLE Infinit-1  album cover cv313 Infinit-1(CDr, Album, Ltd, Num) echospace [detroit] 10CDLE US 2018 Sell This Version
011 Subtraktive (Deepchord Presents: Echospace (Live) Dub)  album cover cv313 Subtraktive (Deepchord Presents: Echospace (Live) Dub) 011 US 2010 Sell This Version
012 Seconds To Forever [Reprised]  album cover cv313 Seconds To Forever [Reprised](CDr, Comp, Ltd, Promo, RE) echospace [detroit] 012 US 2014 Sell This Version
013 Standingstill  album cover cv313 Standingstill(12", Cle) echospace [detroit] 013 US 2011 Sell This Version
014 Beyond Starlit Sky  album cover cv313 Beyond Starlit Sky(12", Ltd, Cle) echospace [detroit] 014 US 2014 Sell This Version
015 Fading Lights  album cover cv313 Fading Lights 015 US 2014 Sell This Version
313-1 Vantage Isle Sessions  album cover DeepChord Vantage Isle Sessions(CD, Comp) echospace [detroit] 313-1 US 2008 Sell This Version
313-2 Starlight  album cover Model 500 Starlight(CD) echospace [detroit] 313-2 US 2008 Sell This Version
313-3 The Seduction Of Silence  album cover Intrusion The Seduction Of Silence(CD, Album) echospace [detroit] 313-3 US 2009 Sell This Version
313-4 Dimensional Space  album cover cv313 Dimensional Space (Album) 313-4 US 2014 Sell This Version
313-5 Echospace [Detroit] Presents: "Altering Illusions" [Chapter One]  album cover cv313 Echospace [Detroit] Presents: "Altering Illusions" [Chapter One](2xCD, Comp) echospace [detroit] 313-5 US 2014 Sell This Version
313-6 The Seduction Of Silence  album cover Intrusion The Seduction Of Silence(2xCD, Album, RE, RM) echospace [detroit] 313-6 US 2014 Sell This Version
313-7 Live In Detroit  album cover DeepChord Presents Echospace DeepChord Presents Echospace - Live In Detroit (Album) 313-7 US 2017 Sell This Version
313-8 Amongst The Stars  album cover Intrusion Amongst The Stars(2xCD, Album, Single, Ltd) echospace [detroit] 313-8 US 2017 Sell This Version
313-9 Analogue Oceans  album cover cv313 Analogue Oceans(2xCD, Album) echospace [detroit] 313-9 US 2018 Sell This Version
313-LIVE1 Live  album cover cv313 Live (Album) 313-LIVE1 Japan 2009 Sell This Version
313-LP-1 Altering Illusions  album cover Various Altering Illusions (Comp) 313-LP-1 US 2012 Sell This Version
313-LP-2 Silent World  album cover DeepChord Presents Echospace DeepChord Presents Echospace - Silent World (Album) 313-LP-2 US 2012 Sell This Version
313-8-LE Amongst The Stars [Unreleased Versions]  album cover Intrusion Amongst The Stars [Unreleased Versions](CDr, Album, Ltd, Num) echospace [detroit] 313-8-LE US 2019 Sell This Version
313-9-LE Analogue Oceans [Current IV + V]  album cover cv313 Analogue Oceans [Current IV + V](2xCDr, Album, Ltd, Num) echospace [detroit] 313-9-LE US 2018 Sell This Version
ABX100 Slow Earth Ritual  album cover Coppice Halifax & Variant Coppice Halifax & Variant - Slow Earth Ritual (Album) ABX100 US 2019 Sell This Version
AGE-1 A Gentle Embrace (Variant Reshapes)  album cover Intrusion A Gentle Embrace (Variant Reshapes)(2xCDr, Ltd) echospace [detroit] AGE-1 US 2015 Sell This Version
AGE-2 A Gentle Embrace (cv313 Rewire)  album cover Intrusion A Gentle Embrace (cv313 Rewire)(CDr, Ltd) echospace [detroit] AGE-2 US 2015 Sell This Version
AIR1 White Clouds Drift On And On  album cover Brock Van Wey White Clouds Drift On And On (Album) AIR1 US 2009 Sell This Version
AIR - 2 The Setting Sun  album cover Variant The Setting Sun(CD, Album) echospace [detroit] AIR - 2 US 2009 Sell This Version
AIR2re The Setting Sun (Remastered)  album cover Variant The Setting Sun (Remastered)(CD, Album, RM) echospace [detroit] AIR2re US 2015 Sell This Version
AIR 3 Home  album cover Brock Van Wey Home(2xCD, Album) echospace [detroit] AIR 3 US 2014 Sell This Version
aircd05 Mediterranea  album cover Rod Modell Mediterranea(CD, Album, Ltd) echospace [air], echospace [air] aircd05 US 2016 Sell This Version
AIR-JP-1 White Clouds Drift On And On  album cover Brock Van Wey White Clouds Drift On And On (Album) AIR-JP-1 Japan 2014 Sell This Version
airle1 Aurora's Dream  album cover Variant Aurora's Dream(2xCDr, Album) echospace [detroit] airle1 US 2014 Sell This Version
AIRLE2 Aurora's Dream [Reawakened]  album cover Variant Aurora's Dream [Reawakened](2xCDr, Album, Ltd) echospace [detroit] AIRLE2 US 2016 Sell This Version
AIRLP1 White Clouds Drift On And On  album cover Brock Van Wey White Clouds Drift On And On(4xLP, Album, RM, Whi) echospace [detroit] AIRLP1 US 2012 Sell This Version
AIR PROMO 001 A Chance To Start Over  album cover Brock Van Wey A Chance To Start Over(CDr) echospace [detroit] AIR PROMO 001 US 2009 Sell This Version
ARC-CD-01 dc07|dc08|dc09 [remastered]  album cover Deepchord dc07|dc08|dc09 [remastered] (Comp) ARC-CD-01 US 2014 Sell This Version
ARC-CD-02 dc10|dc11|dc12 [remastered]  album cover Deepchord dc10|dc11|dc12 [remastered] (Comp) ARC-CD-02 US 2014 Sell This Version
ARC-CD-03 dc13|dc14|dc16 [remastered]  album cover DeepChord dc13|dc14|dc16 [remastered](CD, Comp, RM) echospace [detroit] ARC-CD-03 US 2014 Sell This Version
ARCCD04 DC Trax [The Octal Years]  album cover Various DC Trax [The Octal Years](CD, Comp) echospace [detroit] ARCCD04 US 2017 Sell This Version
arclp01 dc07/dc08/dc09 [remastered]  album cover Deepchord dc07/dc08/dc09 [remastered](3x12", Comp, RM, Col) echospace [detroit] arclp01 US 2013 Sell This Version
arclp02 dc10/dc11/dc12 [remastered]  album cover Deepchord dc10/dc11/dc12 [remastered](3x12", Comp, RM, Col) echospace [detroit] arclp02 US 2013 Sell This Version
AURA-01 Auratia  album cover Variant Auratia(2xCDr, Album, Ltd) echospace [detroit] AURA-01 US 2015 Sell This Version
AURA-02 Return to Auratia  album cover Variant Return to Auratia(2xCDr, Album, Ltd) echospace [detroit] AURA-02 US 2017 Sell This Version
BEYOND CD LE Beyond Dreams [Analog Passages]  album cover cv313 Beyond Dreams [Analog Passages](CDr, Album, Ltd) echospace [detroit] BEYOND CD LE US 2017 Sell This Version
chrome - 1 Chromesthesia  album cover Variant Chromesthesia(CDr, Album, Ltd) echospace [detroit] chrome - 1 US 2014 Sell This Version
cmos - 1 Thru The Cosmos (Ison + Spica)  album cover Variant Thru The Cosmos (Ison + Spica)(CDr, Ltd) echospace [detroit] cmos - 1 US 2014 Sell This Version
CV313CD1 Dimensional Space [Alchemy LP Edition]  album cover cv313 Dimensional Space [Alchemy LP Edition](CD, Album, Ltd) echospace [detroit] CV313CD1 US 2016 Sell This Version
CV313LP Dimensional Space  album cover cv313 Dimensional Space (Album) CV313LP US 2014 Sell This Version
D.T.V. Dreaming Thru Vector [Reprise]  album cover Variant Dreaming Thru Vector [Reprise] (Album) D.T.V. US 2015 Sell This Version
DUBS-EP-1 Infinitati [Intrusion Dubs]  album cover Phase90 Infinitati [Intrusion Dubs](12", Ltd, P/Mixed) echospace [detroit] DUBS-EP-1 2019 Sell This Version
EAS1CD Shibuya Hypnagogia  album cover A601-2 Shibuya Hypnagogia(CD, Album) echospace [detroit] EAS1CD US 2016 Sell This Version
ECHO06CDLE Spatialdimension (Limited Japan Edition)  album cover Deepchord Presents Echospace Deepchord Presents Echospace - Spatialdimension (Limited Japan Edition)(CDr, Ltd, RM) echospace [detroit] ECHO06CDLE Japan 2013 Sell This Version
ECHO-007 Intrusion / Reflection  album cover Intrusion Intrusion / Reflection(2x12", TP) echospace [detroit] ECHO-007 US 2008 Sell This Version
Echopace [Detroit] 06CDLE Spatial Dimensions  album cover Deepchord Presents Echospace Deepchord Presents Echospace - Spatial Dimensions(8xFile, FLAC) echospace [detroit] Echopace [Detroit] 06CDLE 2012
echospace001 Vantage Isle  album cover DeepChord Vantage Isle echospace001 US 2006 Sell This Version
ECHOSPACE-001 DEMF Vantage Isle [DEMF Limited Edition]  album cover DeepChord Vantage Isle [DEMF Limited Edition](2x12", tra + 7", tra + Ltd, RP) echospace [detroit] ECHOSPACE-001 DEMF US 2015 Sell This Version
echospace_002 Dimensional Space  album cover cv313 Dimensional Space echospace_002 US 2007 Sell This Version
echospace_003 Who's Afraid Of Detroit? [Deepchord & Soultek Mixes]  album cover Claude VonStroke Who's Afraid Of Detroit? [Deepchord & Soultek Mixes] echospace_003 US 2007 Sell This Version
echospace004 Starlight  album cover Model 500 Starlight echospace004 UK, Europe & US 2007 Sell This Version
echospace 005 Grandbend  album cover DeepChord Grandbend(2x12", W/Lbl) echospace [detroit] echospace 005 US 2007 Sell This Version
echospace_007 Intrusion / Reflection  album cover Intrusion Intrusion / Reflection (EP, Comp) echospace_007 US 2008 Sell This Version
echospace_008 Intrusion Dub / Subtraktive  album cover Intrusion / cv313 Intrusion / cv313 - Intrusion Dub / Subtraktive echospace_008 US 2008 Sell This Version
ECHOSPACE008 Subtraktive  album cover cv313 Subtraktive ECHOSPACE008 US 2009
echospace 009 Sailingstars  album cover cv313 Sailingstars echospace 009 US 2009 Sell This Version
echospace 010 Infinit-1  album cover cv313 Infinit-1 echospace 010 US 2010 Sell This Version
ECHOSPACE011 Subtraktive (Deepchord Presents: Echospace (Live) Dub)  album cover cv313 Subtraktive (Deepchord Presents: Echospace (Live) Dub) ECHOSPACE011 US 2010 Sell This Version
ECHOSPACE 012 Seconds To Forever  album cover cv313 Seconds To Forever ECHOSPACE 012 US 2010 Sell This Version
ECHOSPACE 12 CD JP Beyond The Clouds [Reprised] Versions - Limited Japan Edition  album cover cv313 Beyond The Clouds [Reprised] Versions - Limited Japan Edition(CDr, Ltd) echospace [detroit] ECHOSPACE 12 CD JP Japan 2013 Sell This Version
ECHOSPACE 12 CD LE Beyond The Clouds [Reprised] Versions  album cover cv313 Beyond The Clouds [Reprised] Versions ECHOSPACE 12 CD LE US 2011 Sell This Version
ECHOSPACE 313-2 Starlight  album cover Model 500 Starlight(10xFile, MP3) echospace [detroit] ECHOSPACE 313-2 US 2009
ECHOSPACE313-3 The Seduction Of Silence  album cover Intrusion The Seduction Of Silence ECHOSPACE313-3 US 2009
echospace 313LE Starlight  album cover Model 500 Starlight echospace 313LE US 2008 Sell This Version
ECHOSPACE 313-LE-2 The Journey Of Qui Niu  album cover Son's Of The Dragon The Journey Of Qui Niu ECHOSPACE 313-LE-2 US 2009 Sell This Version
Echospace313LP1 Altering Illusions  album cover Various Altering Illusions (Comp) Echospace313LP1 US 2012
ECHOSPACECV3131 Affiniti  album cover cv313 Affiniti ECHOSPACECV3131 US 2009
ECHOSPACED1 Obmx  album cover Echospace Obmx ECHOSPACED1 US 2008
ECHOSPACED2 Sonorous  album cover Echospace Sonorous(5xFile, MP3, 320) echospace [detroit] ECHOSPACED2 US 2008
ECHOSPACED5 Motor City Matrix  album cover Sons Of The Dragon* Motor City Matrix ECHOSPACED5 US 2008
ECHOSPACED6 A Chance To Start Over  album cover Brock Van Wey A Chance To Start Over ECHOSPACED6 US 2009
ECHOSPACEDETROIT005 DeepChord Grand Bend ECHOSPACEDETROIT005 US 2008
ECHOSPACEDETROIT006 Spatialdimension  album cover DeepChord Presents Echospace DeepChord Presents Echospace - Spatialdimension ECHOSPACEDETROIT006 US 2009
ECHOSPACE [DETROIT] 008CDLE Subtraktive [Reprise]   album cover cv313 Subtraktive [Reprise] (CDr + 2xCDr, Mini, RE, RM + CDr, Mini + Ltd) echospace [detroit] ECHOSPACE [DETROIT] 008CDLE US 2019 Sell This Version
ECHOSPACEDETROIT009 Sailingstars  album cover cv313 Sailingstars ECHOSPACEDETROIT009 US 2009
Echospace [Detroit] 12 Seconds To Forever  album cover cv313 Seconds To Forever (EP) Echospace [Detroit] 12 2012
Echospace [Detroit] 13 Standing Still  album cover cv313 Standing Still Echospace [Detroit] 13 2012
ECHOSPACE (DETROIT) 016 Live Extracts  album cover cv313 Live Extracts(12", Ltd, Cle) echospace [detroit], echospace [detroit] ECHOSPACE (DETROIT) 016 US 2015 Sell This Version
echospace [detroit] 017  Lost Sequence    album cover cv313 Lost Sequence echospace [detroit] 017 US 2015 Sell This Version
echospace [detroit] 018 Seconds To Forever (Reshapes)  album cover cv313 Seconds To Forever (Reshapes) echospace [detroit] 018 US 2016 Sell This Version
echospace [detroit] 019 Beyond The Sequence  album cover cv313 Beyond The Sequence(12", Ltd, Cle) echospace [detroit] echospace [detroit] 019 US 2016 Sell This Version
echospace [detroit] 313 - LE Starlight  album cover Model 500 Starlight(12", Ltd, Gre) echospace [detroit] echospace [detroit] 313 - LE US 2008 Sell This Version
ECHOSPACEDETROIT313LE Trak 6  album cover UB313 Trak 6 ECHOSPACEDETROIT313LE US 2008
ECHOSPACEDETROIT313LE2 The Journey Of Qui Niu  album cover Son's Of The Dragon The Journey Of Qui Niu (EP) ECHOSPACEDETROIT313LE2 US 2009
ECHOSPACEDETROIT313LIVE Live  album cover cv313 Live ECHOSPACEDETROIT313LIVE 2009
echospace [detroit] 313-LP-2 Silent World (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack)  album cover DeepChord Presents Echospace DeepChord Presents Echospace - Silent World (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) (Album) echospace [detroit] 313-LP-2 US 2012
ECHOSPACE DETROITAIR1 White Clouds Drift On And On  album cover Brock Van Wey White Clouds Drift On And On (Album) ECHOSPACE DETROITAIR1 2009
ECHOSPACEDETROITAIR2 Variant The Setting Sun(7xFile, WAV) echospace [detroit] ECHOSPACEDETROITAIR2 US 2009

Reviews Show All 53 Reviews

Add Review

psikopath

psikopath

February 19, 2021
edited 14 days ago
Guys, please be aware that Rod Modell has NO involvement in all that current mess. I guess he's not even a part of CV313 anymore for a longer time.
drone5

drone5

February 16, 2021
Echospace took six months to send me a pair of what they called "rare, Japanese import CD-Rs" for which I spent $40.

Because I had the audacity to ask—and receive—bandcamp.com's help in attempting to resolve Echospace's intransigence?
Am banned via software from downloading anything from bandcamp.com, from now on.

Must admit: a lot of their music is extremely good.
After about two years of being angry, and thus unwilling to buy their stuff?

Managed to find a few CD-Rs from sources other than bandcamp...
...and if—as seems likely—bandcamp.com did not directly profit from those purchases? Because they were from extremely-distant and unrelated retail operations selling them at unusual discount prices, or (OTOH...and very much so) individuals selling them for considerable $$$s on discogs.com? Yeah. I can deal with it. And...yeah, I'll probably never be able to buy any additional ones. But I already own 23 titles! That's quite enough...I'm fine.

Have been a fan of Modell's work since the '90s. Don't feel any personal grudges against the individuals. But as an organization: hey, if you're going to accept people's money? You have a responsibility to provide the products you promised, in exchange. Simple as that. To do less is somewhere between unprofessional and fraudulent.

Compared to some of the horror stories here? Sounds as my luck was somewhat better: relative to what others experienced.
Shamanavi

Shamanavi

January 13, 2021
I pre-ordered Sequential Spaces for $90.90 (US Dollars) in May of 2018 & TO THIS DAY (JANUARY 13, 2021) I STILL HAVEN'T RECEIVED MY ORDER OR A FULL REFUND. My uncle also never got his order either. PAYPAL & BANDCAMP DID NOTHING TO HELP ME AS WELL!! Stephen Hitchell & Eva Bordallo (Label & Digital Content Manager) have horrible communication & are very unfriendly as they're ignoring my emails. I even spent $100's on Echospace's products via Bandcamp while waiting for my Sequential Spaces order!!! DO NOT SUPPORT!!!!!!!! I look forward to meeting them in Michigan as I have friends in Ypsilanti (Ann Arbor).
Krell-labs

Krell-labs

December 18, 2020
People are still waiting for orders, I'm waiting for one from June 2019, the least they could do is send an email out with some form of explanation, it really is bad Karma.
brian.elder.180

brian.elder.180

November 28, 2020
It’s just sadness I feel that they have offered no explanation for the sudden disappearance.
J_Adshead

J_Adshead

September 1, 2020
I don't know what happened honestly... all I can say is I'm listening to Analogue Oceans right now and it's still bliss from the first all the way through to the fifth. Hopefully Stephen can get the label back on its feet. I know things have taken a while to arrive in the past, but it seems to have dropped off a ledge since 2017. Some people are frustrated, understandably, as folks have lost money. But we were all drawn here because the music is strong, and it still is. There's music enough here to appreciate for years and years. And if this is it...? Then it's been a great ride. No hard feelings and thanks for all the awesome late night voyages.
errorsinspace

errorsinspace

May 10, 2020
As a long time supporter of everything Stephen and Rod has put out this is my thoughts. (BTW its apparently just Stephen having the issue and with this label).

I have probably 15 or so releases I have paid for and havent gotten still. Including the blue vinyls.
Am i mad about a few hundred dollars I have lost out on? Sure but its not the end of the world. All i can hope for is that Stephen is aware of who needs what and who has not gotten things. And then make it up to them. The part that does hurt is when we were told every reason under the sun on why things wete delayed and then not fullfilled. I hope those reasons were truthful but its hard to really believe all of them. Especially when people like myself wanted to help. Surely in this day of people doing things as bad as Gofund me for things we as fans , could have helped things considering it may have been financial. Even to me it seems like we dont know everything thats going on. Some feel lied to and some feel taken for money. I just feel dissapointed and all I can hope is that Stephen makes this right. If hes gonna have a future in selling music he might have to. Because many wont buy anything again.
kristopherknab

kristopherknab

May 6, 2020
The fact is that the music is so much better and on another level than almost any other artist I've ever heard. Does the label not run well, yes. Stephen and Eva have four kids and I have no idea what kind of medical stuff went on last year. I have ordered every physical item except the subtractive four disc set, stratosphere II and III, and deep sky netwerk. I recommend if you can't wait 4-8 months for the CD to just download the wav files and burn to a CD yourself. That is what I have done for the last four releases. I do miss the art tho, but you don't have to wait. I would like to keep supporting them as much as I can. They are very nice people and really care about the music! They are just upon tough times. I can imagine supporting a family of 6 on making very uncommercial music is so hard!! I have ordered 50 times in past four years at least. I got everything I ordered. Did it take a super long time.. sometimes. I never did get the anniversary vinyl, but no one did. I just look at it like, maybe one day.. Do they have poor communication, yes. When I have thought about it.. it has to be tough when you don't have answers or enough money to get orders out. I'm just speculating. Have I been super pissed about stuff involving orders, yes. I have learned to let it go. I'm writing this because of the blog or post about them in one of the previous reviews. They are not out to steal or rip anyone off. I think they just ran into some very bad luck.. moving several times and health issues. I believe they care very much about their fans. Hopefully luck turns in their favor and positive stuff happens in the future. All the most gifted artists have tough times. Stephen's music is the best of the best and cream of the crop. There once was a time when I thought alot of it sounded the same. You just need to put the time in and listen. They are not the same! The music is so deep, it is like heading down a never ending abyss. Just had to put my thoughts on here after reading all the trash some people posted. Be patient and it is only a little $ and most got it back when there was problem. Give 4-8 months like I said for physical orders. I lost my money on the anniversary vinyl, but I still think they will come around one day. I don't think they've ever had a release that has come out when it was supposed to. To my knowledge everyone get their stuff eventually.. even many years later. Love you Stephen and Eva!!
m44-7

m44-7

March 2, 2020
edited about 1 year ago
the label seems to attract the most patient fanbase around :)
https://www.discogs.com/group/thread/808150
kidmousey

kidmousey

January 23, 2020
edited 4 months ago
I will start by saying I loved this label and still love the music on it. Yeah sure, we all go through shit in our lives and I'll give them that, but taking our money and totally ignoring us goes down a path I do not respect. I guess people will do what they do, but at least make an effort to reach out and make a clear public statement on your intentions. When Bandcamp blocked the first Echospaace Detroit page, they went and made a new one, Echospce Studio and went on taking orders they never filled. That's some pretty lame behavior and so dishonest. It's so SAD!!!!! Stealing from your loyal fans.

So, I Placed an order on Dec 2 2017................ it's now November 11th 2020 and still waiting for it. You would think after more than 12 emails you would eventually get a reply. NOPE!
It's well past the point where PayPal can do anything. I trusted I would eventually get my order, so I never filed a complaint.
What was it Johnny Rotten once said? "Ever Get The Feeling You've Been Cheated?"
The answer would be yes. Cheated by a label that I supported since it began. It's like being ripped off by someone you really liked. The feeling kind sucks.

The thing I do not understand is they took all our money and never bothered to make the record or never bothered to maybe have someone else make it.
They never bothered to contact us, or keep us up to date.

At this point I've just given up. Perhaps Echospace will find eventually find their moral compass and return our money or press the records and CDs

Lists Add to List

View More Lists →