Tracklist
This Side | |||
Optimo | |||
Cavern | |||
Flip Side | |||
Scraper | |||
Out |
Credits (8)
- Richard McGuireBass, Percussion, Design [Cover]
- Scott HartleyDrums, Percussion
- Don HünerbergEngineer [Tape]
- HW*Lacquer Cut By
- Dennis YoungMarimba, Rototoms, Percussion
- Howie WeinbergMastered By
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![]() | Optimo 12", 45 RPM, EP, Red/Black Labels | 99 Records (2) – 99-11 EP | US | 1983 | US — 1983 | ||||
![]() | Optimo 12", 45 RPM, EP, Yellow/Black Labels | 99 Records (2) – 99-11EP | US | 1983 | US — 1983 | Recently Edited | |||
![]() | Optimo 12", 45 RPM, EP, Yellow / Red Labels | 99 Records (2) – 99-11 EP | US | 1983 | US — 1983 | Recently Edited | |||
![]() | Optimo 12", 45 RPM, EP, Grey/Red Label | 99 Records (2) – 99-11EP | US | 1983 | US — 1983 | New Submission | |||
![]() | Optimo 12", 45 RPM, EP, White Label | 99 Records (2) – 99-11 EP | US | 1983 | US — 1983 | New Submission | |||
![]() | Optimo 12", 45 RPM, EP, Red/Black Labels | 99 Records (2) – 99-11 EP | US | 1983 | US — 1983 | New Submission | |||
![]() | Optimo 12", 45 RPM, EP, Unofficial Release | 99 Records (3) – 99-11 EP | US | 2005 | US — 2005 | Recently Edited | |||
![]() | Optimo 12", 45 RPM, EP, Reissue | Superior Viaduct – SV090 | US | 2015 | US — 2015 | New Submission | |||
![]() | Optimo 12", 45 RPM, EP, Reissue, Unofficial Release | 99 Records (3) – 99-11 EP | US | US | New Submission | ||||
![]() | Optimo 12", 45 RPM, EP, Unofficial Release | 99 Records (3) – 99-11 EP | UK | UK | Recently Edited |
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- This version only has 3 tracks. Recently repressed.
Critical reissue of a classic 80s NYC monster of a record. An important moment of time is captured here. referencing Optimo (12", 45 RPM, EP, Reissue) SV090
Absolutely incredible repress here. One of the best sounding records in my collection.- Hello, I bought this edition, it has the MASTERDISK HW stamp, which is what makes the difference if it is the original or not, but only 3 songs appear...???...The OUT song does not appear. I have paid a lot for it but I don't know if it is original or a pirate??? Can anybody help me??
- Bruce Forest: “Cavern is the record that shut down two record labels, and easily a top 5 all time record at Better Days. It was one of those tracks that was totally different than anything else I was playing, but I instantly knew the children would go off to it. It was such an obvious lock that I remember getting it on a Friday night, which was mobbed, and threw it in cold at about 3AM at absolute peak, after killing every light in the room. By the end of the second bar of bassline, I didn't even hear the crash cymbal over the crowd howling. Possibly the most amazing reaction to the first play of a record I ever saw. Sal Principato, the lead singer, wasn't even singing actual words, but playing Cavern anytime led to instant frenzy.
Moody was really early rough house. I got both the Optimo EP and ESG at 99 Records on MacDougal Street on the recommendation of Timmy Regisford, who (IIRC) had heard both at Anvil off acetates played by Ed Bahlman's brother, Bill, the Anvil DJ. It was weird - 99 (nine nine) was also a clothing store, and Ed, the owner, went and got my two copies of each record out of a closet behind the changing room. Strange way to buy music.
Larry had obviously started playing it about the same time because the first time I played it, it was familiar, unlike Cavern which was just new and fierce. You really couldn't play Moody without two copies - the track is only 2:41. Because of that, you would hear many different arrangements of the track at different clubs, which was kind of cool.
Optimo off the same EP (named after the cigar store on the corner of St. Mark’s and Second Avenue) was a huge percussion orgy that I will always associate with Zanzibar, Tee and Tony. It never sounded as good anywhere else, but it sounded like the Voice of God in that amazing room with the killer sound in New Jersey.
After "Cavern" was stolen and “replayed by the Sugar Hill band for Grandmaster Flash + Melle Mel's "White Lines (Don't Do It)," 99 Records took Sugarhill to court over its unauthorized use, and after an expensive court battle, won compensation. Sylvia Robinson, however, decided to shut down Sugarhill rather than pay Ed Bahlman, owner of 99 Records. Ed shut down 99 then, because he was buried in legal bills. Creativity never fails to be punished, it seems.
Both tracks are rough as hell, and work as well in 2022 as they did forty+ years ago.” - This information might be useful to share: apparently per Liquid Liquid record label (second in command?) head Terry Tolkin the group never got a thin dime for the instantly recognizable bassline of this song in "White Lines", and in fact lost a ton of money on the deal to the point where it bankrupted their (incredible) label 99 Records. Considering that Grandmaster Flash, et al didn't even "sample" the song or even just use a quick hook, but essentially just lifted the whole thing wholesale (including the "something of a phenomenon") lyrics it seems like a gross cosmic injustice.
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"Anthony Barat, Sugarhill didn't just steal every important aspect of ‘Cavern' they bankrupted our little record label too fighting them in court. After a furious two year precedent setting legal war, we won a quarter of a million dollar judgement.
Two weeks later Sugarhill Records declared bankruptcy and never paid 99 a single penny.
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This was THE legal case that coined the term “sampling". Even that word was a piece of very carefully crafted legalise. As you've already noticed they didn't “Sample" anything. They just fukin rapped over LL's studio click track! Effective sampling technology only existed in Ultra high-end recording studios at the time.
We enjoyed unexpected acceptance from NYC's highly influential Urban radio station, WBLS. Frankie Crocker put “Cavern" on the map. They played it two to three times an hour for about 4 months. We could hardly keep up with production. Then one day I came in from my two days off. Ed Bahlman, 99's owner and the guy who produced “Cavern", was all kinda d weirded out and stressed. I asked what was up?
“Man, Terry, BLS hasn't played “Cavern" once since Sunday. I called Frankie but he won't answer. I'm glad you're in. I'm going to go up to the station and see what's up"
Well, Ed came back an hour or so later saying that they wouldn't let him upstairs, let alone seeing Frankie.
This went on for the next few days. I'm not sure now exactly how many days but it was less than a week.
We'd always kept the radio on. Suddenly, BOOM, there it was! “Cavern" was playing again! I knew Ed would be so relieved and happy so I called him at home right away.
He tuned in while I was still on the fone. We both realized at exactly the same moment that this was NOT our record." referencing Optimo (12", 45 RPM, EP, Reissue) SV090
Put this on for the first time in a while and I was super impressed! Nice quiet surfaces and BIG low end! The great mastering and high quality tip-on jacket make this a great addition to anyone’s collection.
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