Crazy Wisdom Masters - The Payback EP as reviewed by driver_ufo84

January 9, 2008
edited over 7 years ago
UPDATE: The full Crazy Wisdom Masters sessions have leaked, and it lives up to all expectations. While "Spittin Wicked Randomness" made it to J. Beez pretty untouched, tracks like "Book Of Rhymes Pages," "Simple As That," "Spark A New Flame," and "I'm In Love With Indica" were remixed and made much more palatable for a mainstream audience. The original CWM versions of these tracks are much more dense and strangely structured, and even some more conventional pieces like "Flame" are mixed to have a little more kick than what ended up on J. Beez. Definitely worth seeking out on the Internets. Would be nice for some label to pick up the slack and do a nice vinyl or CD issue.

ORIGINAL REVIEW: One of the holy grails of lost hip-hop albums would have to be Crazy Wisdom Masters by the Jungle Brothers. The story goes that following their under-appreciated sophomore classic Done By The Forces Of Nature, the JB's hooked up with an out-there young MC then-named Torture (currently known as Sensational), roped experimental dub maven Bill Laswell into the picture, and created an infamous acid-trip of an album called Crazy Wisdom Masters. Of course, being on a corporate entity like Warner Brothers, this was not to be, and the label predictably ordered the group to deliver something more easy-to-swallow for mainstream tastes. This being an era before labels like Definitive Jux and groups like Dalek made experimental hip-hop a more acceptable forum, Crazy Wisdom Masters was retooled into the scatter-brained and more often than not heavily watered-down J. Beez Wit The Remedy. Sadly, according to various accounts, the CWM tapes were destroyed/stolen/lost, leaving a potentially classic slab of bizarro genius to languish in infinite obscurity. Thankfully, a while back, Black Hoodz resurrected a couple of these gems (how, I don't know) onto vinyl. Two tracks ("Hedz At Company Z" and "Spittin' Wicked Randomness") actually made the final cut of J. Beez Wit The Remedy untouched and sounded head-scratchingly out-of-place amongst trite party jams like "Simple As That." Both songs are gems and proof that the legendarily demented CWM sessions really were all they've been made out to be over the years. Two never-before-heard sessions "Battle Show" and "Ra Ra Kid" will further stupify and delight those enthralled by the JB's detour into near-insanity. Overall, all four songs (well, "Spittin' Wicked Randomness" was actually split into two tracks on Remedy) are an avant approximation of splattered beats, metaphysical wordplay, eerie sonics, and all other sorts of out-and-out weirdness. This isn't just a weird platter for hip-hop, it's very, very strange in general, and it's safe to say that it's even more out-there than a lot of self-consciously "experimental" music. Who knows if Crazy Wisdom Masters will every actually see the light of day, and if this EP is any indication, it will be a depressing lose if the rest of these sessions are really buried forever more.

Crazy Wisdom Masters - The Payback EP slntwtchr

June 28, 2010
Random tracks have shown up, one of which pyenapple references. Bill Laswell put out a CD called 'Valis' years back that has a track credited to JBs - that's on the album. Also an underground release called Excavation has a mix of Simple as That. All told, I believe there may be about 8 tracks out there now. The album itself is you can hear from some of the tracks that made it to the actual release, there's not always a lot that was changed. Probably the biggest one was 'Troopin on the Down Lo' which morphed into '40 Below Trooper'. If you put it in contect, J Beez is still a fairly out there record in a lot of spots. Maybe one day Warner will allow someone to put the original mixes out. They're definitely in existance.

Crazy Wisdom Masters - The Payback EP pyenapple

May 16, 2010

The track "Troopin' On The Down Lo" is from those sessions, too, it's on the Warner Bros. "Trademark Of Quality" promotional CD compilation. I REALLY recommend it if you haven't heard it yet.

Crazy Wisdom Masters - The Payback EP as reviewed by falloutboy

March 11, 2007
edited over 12 years ago
al1 is right, Warner Bros did have issues with putting these tracks out. But a few tracks of this era got released on the LP ' J. Beetz Wit The Remedy'.

Skiz said in an interview that Bill Laswell's part was introducing Sensational to the Jungle Brothers. Their fist encounter was at Laswell's place where Sensational was freestyling while scraching a Stockhausen record ...!

Crazy Wisdom Masters - The Payback EP as reviewed by al1

August 30, 2005
edited over 13 years ago
These tracks are rumored to be part of a Jungle Brothers album produced by Bill Laswell.
Warner Bros. at the time refused to release it, and the tapes were lost until the Black Hoodz issue.

Crazy Wisdom Masters - The Payback EP pyenapple

July 6, 2010

They were originally slated for release on the third J Beez album "Crazy Wisdom Masters" but the rekkid company rejected them offhand as (SO shocking) "too uncommercial sounding". A few of them did make it on, though.